Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur Jiva Dharma asks where does karma begin..

A brilliant and important philosophical question posed by Vrajanatha in Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur’s Jiva Dharma, the occupation of the soul .

We are manifest from Lord  Balarama, the first expansion of Krishna,  and because the soul is part of Him , and Krishna always been , so have we . Srila Jiva Goswami says in his Tattva Sandarbha that Krishna makes the impossible possible , inconceivably, and simultaneously oneness and differences. Within Krishna are unlimited expansions , and unlimited capacity  , thus the simultaneous one and difference of the living beings and God can be looked at in this way . Jiva Goswami also says that Krishna makes the impossible possible by manifesting totally separate entities , each with free will .

We also have to understand the expression ,  “ time immemorial ,”  it’s meaning , we can not fathom its beginnings .

When Balarama brings forth the  ” dormant ”  Jivas , it is because He wants to increase Krishna’s pleasure. We are not dead stones or downloads of Balarama , but we have free will, and we can choose and learn to love . To love and give pleasure is inherant within us , Krishna is the most attractive thus the attraction for Krishna is there within all beings , when it’s not realised the living beings become attracted to Krishna’s external potency . The more we use our free will for its intended purpose , the more freedom we can experience  , spiritually and even materially . Selfish actions and mentality restrict our inherant potential . On our being “manifest ” ,although we are eternally part of Krishna  , just as a good father tells us how to properly conduct life for our greatest benefits , similarly Balarama , our original father , does the same . Most  living beings spontaneously feel deep attraction for the spiritual realm . Guidance and examples of pure love in numerous ways are found in other souls, and Balarama is the originator as well as Srimati Radharani .  Balarama ,  by His example, brings  freedom of expression , love , and spontaneous attraction to Krishna and the spiritual kingdoms. Spontaneously , the living beings reveal their individual consciousness by their own attractions . Love is always voluntary and can never be forced , but needs learning at times both within the spiritual marginal realms and material realms. The complete and full  existence of Divinity is only ever understood by unadulterated pure  love . Indeed , Sanatana Goswami has shown in his literatures in the pastime of Gopa Kumar , that when Gopa  finally returned to a spiritual world , the Lord was waiting and embraced him saying “ Where have you been I have missed you and have been waiting ?” Such is the Love of the Supreme Father of all Krishna , who never forgets his wayward sons and daughters and remains with them as the supersoul , another expansion of Lord Balarama. Lord Balarama is the original Guru and Sri Guru is a manifested form of Lord Balarama.

It’s indicted ,  by Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur , the jiva enters a tatasta state , when manifested from Balarama , the Jiva choice come from there , spiritual or material or an  undecided impersonal position.  The impersonal Brahman energies have been referred to as the tatasta by Srila BR Sridhar Swami , its the origins of those Jivas  who are not so originally inclined to share their consciousness in loving exchanges with Divinity . They remain in an impersonal bliss , but for want of activity and relationships , they  eventually come to the material planes . Ultimately , the material energies refine their activity, and they learn to love and learn that Krishna or God  is “Rasaraja”  the king of the  exchanges  of love . It’s this relationship  with God that the inner desires of every soul are hankering for . This leaving the impersonal spiritual light, and the entering of material activities  begins by  a ” kind of  transporational ” glance from Maha Sankarsana. From Mula Sankarsana, the spiritual beings have directly entered the spiritual plane . The living being  from Maha Sankarsana enter into  Mahavisnu , inside His trancendental form are countless trillions of universes , like dust particles floating in the air .

Originally from Maha Sankarsana, the jiva , revealing their inner state of consciousness and desire , are connected either to Maha maya or Yoga maya , i.e., the spiritual or material energies . This is in accordance with their free spirit. They move naturally towards one or the other , and the tatasta Brahman regions are the place where free will is exhibited.  It appears our consciousness , having this free spirit , connected itself to Maha maya , we are in the material universes.   Balarama , being our father , and in that sense Balarama and Krishna are one , so ,  Balarama detected our desire for independence , and independence was not directed towards pure devotional desires and attractions for Krishna . Desire for relationships is something also inherant , so facilities that are outside of  the spiritual kingdoms are the business of the material energies .  Relationships are temporarily situated and somewhat unfulfilled within matter . It’s a sureal existence without Krishna . However,  the living beings , who could not feel spontaneous attraction for the spiritual realms , and having remained in a brahman impersonal energy for some time , take to the alternative surreal material world.  ” Spirits in the material world,” as Madonna once sang . Arrangements are made  because Krishna and His first expansion Balarama are all-knowing . Automatically  through the ethereal and spiritual planes and within the multidimensional unlimited space time arrangements , the living beings arrive in matter . Initially, with relatively exalted consciousness . Mahamaya or Durga Devi has the task  of providing an illusion of artificial lordship and sensual pleasures , and thus tempting and inspiring the individual to enjoy a separate existence from God , and  further and further entanglements begin .

Some people say God knows everything , but does He know when you will turn in Love towards Him , and how you will love Him and the intensity ?

In conditioned consciousness , one is firmly in His energy . As the high court judge knows the destination of the criminal , so a harmful soul is under Gods grips , with predicable consequences , but not a pure soul . He has his full freedom and is unpredictable in love . Love in real spiritual terms is  every increasing , and  unpredictable . Unlimited exchanges take place with the master of love Krishna , soul to soul in spiritual bodies , in full spiritual varigatedness. It is Balarama, the great servant , brother, and friend of Krishna that makes all arrangements for His pleasure . When living being is finished with his or her material wondering , they return either under the care of Srimati Radharani or Lord Balarama.

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The moon is behind the clouds, but by the light of the moon, the clouds can be seen .

Pure consciousness is covered by the subtle and gross material body , but still , by the effects of a consciousness that incorporates ones intelligence, one’s mind , and one’s  senses,   if it has been contacted or is being enlightened with the divine potency , that of the spiritual cit sakti ,  then the workings of the pure mind , pure intelligence and purified senses come into play , and the original pure consciousness can be understood . Krishna can enable the living being to use so-called matter as spirit .. Take an iron bar and put it in far it acts like fire , touch it, and you will know .

The Srimad Bhagavatam says 1.5.11

On the other hand, that literature which is full of descriptions of the transcendental glories of the name, fame, forms, pastimes, etc., of the unlimited Supreme Lord is a different creation, full of transcendental words directed toward bringing about a revolution in the impious lives of this world’s misdirected civilization. Such transcendental literatures, even though imperfectly composed, are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are thoroughly honest.

Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami part purport .

It is a qualification of the great thinkers to pick up the best even from the worst. It is said that the intelligent man should pick up nectar from a stock of poison and should accept gold even from a filthy place ….end ..

Thus, the question…. Can God be understood through material words ,or sounds,  or music.

The answer is yes , He is present when messaging is directed to Him in attempts to understand Him . He can enter into our consciousness to help us understand Him further and further.  With pure intelligence, He is understood. In the Bhagavad Gita Krishna says “

To those who are constantly devoted and worship with love, God gives the inner intelligence by which they come to Him. This line comes from the Bhagavad Gita As It Is, 10.10. .

Thus, trancendental sounds are pure , as are any name of God .Equally , hymns, songs , or prayers that are genuinely glorifying God bring  purification to the listening ear and ultimately a fully purified  heart .

God or Krishna is the most expert communicator,  any one coming in touch with His communication either knowingly or unknowingly reaps the trancendental rewards. Sound is the original source of matter , “Let there be light ” or sound immediately takes one out of matter .

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The Vedas indicates that Lord  Krishna, via his expansions and multiples of unlimited energies, is responsible for the whole of existence . There are the superior,  marginal, and inferia energies that elaborately discussed and explained throughout the Vedas . Krishna in His conversations with Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita highlights these truths in simple clever terms .

With this verse….

In Bhagavad Gita 7.7, Lord Krishna declares to Arjuna that there is no truth superior to Him, and the entire universe is sustained by Him like pearls strung on a thread. [1]Sanskrit Verseमत्तः परतरं नान्यत्किञ्चिदस्ति धनञ्जय।
मयि सर्वमिदं प्रोतं सूत्रे मणिगणा इव॥ Transliteration: Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya, mayi sarvam idaṁ protaṁ sūtre maṇi-gaṇā iva. [1]

All the sciences, whether they be within physics ,quantum physics, chemistry, biology , of within magnetism, radiation, are contained within the constants , the constant forces that hold them together. Everything is interconnected and interrelated to each other, So, what Krishna said this 5000 years ago in His Gita is now apparent.

What’s said is being done,  and sciences of all kinds can confirm His word.

All branches of science are deeply interconnected and governed by a unified web of fundamental physical laws and universal constants.How Sciences Connect .Chemistry relies completely on quantum mechanics and physics. The behaviour of electrons, described by quantum physics, determines how atoms bond to form molecules. Life is chemical at its core. Cellular processes, DNA replication, and metabolism depend on chemical reactions and molecular structures.  Electromagnetic forces and radiation link the very large (astrophysics) to the very small (atomic structure). Light itself is electromagnetic radiation.There are also universal Constants like the speed of light (\(c\)), Planck’s constant (\(h\)), and the gravitational constant (\(G\)) set the precise rules for how energy, matter, and time interact across every scientific discipline.

Even going out further , into space , the same applies in one way but not in another because the elements and the atomic structures and how time reacts to them differ the Vedas indicates.  Thus, the scientific materialism hypothesis and Darwinian hypothesis do not stand either here on this planet or within space,  where multidimensional universes are exhibited. Thus, Sir Fred Hoyle rightly observed that someone has monkeyed with the universe. You bet they have … Everything is happening by the supreme desire of Krishna. This consciousness is Krishna consciousness.

One important point is the ethereal and subtle energies from where the gross elements originate , and the consciousness itself has not really been examined by modern scientific thinkers.  It’s the most important but the most neglected element of existence. Life originates from life , it always did , consciousness is cause of all causes , and continues to be so ,as from one life comes another , no primordial soup.  Consciousness sets everything in motion within matter , and consciousness will withdraw everything back . Back into Maha Visnu .

The finite can never put the infinite into their fist , as Srila BR Sridhar once remarked , the decending process reveals something of His unlimited wonders .

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A real free market is most definitely the Vedic way

European , UK and world leaders have failed to house their own citizens , amongst other failures. They have , being influenced by those peddling greed , deliberately engineered and  fixed housing markets , in collusion with and controlled by banks ,and global financial institutions  .This is assisted with the help of political friends . Bankers become politicians, and politicians become bankers, so it is said wryly. High House prices mean more profits for banks and financial companies and less money to circulate in other parts of the economy. The government’s are controlled by business conglomorates and financial institutions, who have no interest in housing people at affordable rates , quite the opposite, they engineer shortages of housing , by failures to build social housing and by restricted supply.  Weak governments allow them to . The conglomorates lobby governments and donate to political parties.
The Vedic systems are socialist based, the middle way , with allowance for a legitimate free trade . Free trade is a word banded about in Western countries , but in reality, we have cooperative monopolies and a currupted world  housing market as well as many other types of businesses . There are billions of children living in temporary accommodation and billions of homeless persons . Housing for families if they can be had are blocks of flats with no garden . What good is that for children? Thus , democracies world wide are failing ,they are infiltrated by ruthless businessman who sponsor and donate to political parties,  who advertise their false promises to the uneducated,  who vote it unworthy persons,  slaves to conglomorates  . Educated democracies are needed , where the uncaring politicians are discarded, and the intelligentsia guide political persons who care , and bankers are left out the picture.

The Vedic Way is  localised economies , national economies,  and trading of essential goods as well as other items.  There are no international conglomorates buying up the world . Economies alongside scientific dualism,  society based on cultured caring consciousness,  no encroachments on others lands , but a cooperative kindly spirit , and importantly where the good rule and call the shots , not the bad and ugly.
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Unipolar colonists are dying in the water ..the cooperative multipolar world is the new emerging order and idea , much more sensitive and sensible……and along with a new scientific dualism that is arising alongside and the socio-political and philisophical theological order , its bringing a revolution in its own way . The world is reshaping . Insensitive exploitation, wars and killings along with libertine conglomerate monopolies that were part of the unipolar world are a dying breed , look at what they brought in the name of wealth sharing and trickle-down illusions…

AC Bhaktivedanta Swami

“Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu taught us that,”You become tolerant than the tree and humble than the grass.” But when Jagāi-Mādhāi insulted Lord Nityānanda, oh, He immediately became so angry, “Oh, bring my cakra. I shall kill these persons.” Did He become a tolerant like the tree?” “All right, Nityānanda is insulted. Let Me become tolerant”? [laughs] No, no.

Try to understand. You see? We should not be impotent. Arjuna, he was declining to fight, not that he was impotent, he could not fight. He was a great warrior. But he was refusing, ” To fight for good is good

“So to become a devotee is not to become impotent, but everything has proper use. Just like if you are lusty, that lust should be utilized for Kṛṣṇa. I am lusty to accumulate money. Yes, you bring money, but utilize it for Kṛṣṇa. We don’t say that you should not be lusty. If you have the capacity to earn money, earn money, as much as you can, but utilize it for Kṛṣṇa. If I am very angry, yes, you remain angry, but utilize it for Kṛṣṇa.

I am very greedy. Yes, you become greedy for Kṛṣṇa. How to become greedy? “Oh, I must have good association. Where Kṛṣṇa’s consciousness is being preached, I must be very greedy.” So that greediness is not there, but I am very greedy: Where is wine? Where is woman? Where is club? Where is naked dance? I am greedy. You see? I am not greedy for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So that greediness should be turned like that.

So these are the things to be learned by the devotee. We should not be impotent. We should not be null and void.”

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Gaudia Vaisnavism is the complete picture that is clear , Mahāprabhu conversations with Ramananda Roy include the cor and the extended arm of the beginnings of Varna Ashram .However , Nityananda prabhu has further extended this and reached out  to one and all under the order of Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu …Srila Gour Govinda Swami would relate that Mahāprabhu has come to pay back the love oc Srimati Radharani and the Gopies , so perhaps we can say that Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu has glorified Srimati Radharani and Her divine love , and in doing so is distributing Her outstanding trancendental grace and merciful nature .Thus, Srila Prabhupada stepped off the boat at Boston Harbour…Vaisnavas differ but they are capable in their own ways . Srila BR Sridhar Swami would not go out to preach necessarily,  although he carried out extensive preaching in India carrying out  Srila Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja mission in the Gaudia math . In BR Sridhar Swami later life, if people came  to him, he was more than capable of delivering persons and preaching what they needed to hear .  Srila Prabhupada forced Srila BR Sridhar Swami to extensively preach, and he preached with much intensity , more so in his later years than previous years some will argue , and that was Srila Prabhupada’s blessings on him others will say ….Even Srila Gour Kisore das would preach occasionally, but avoided most people…as Bhajananandis do .

Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami was an extraordinary acarya and no doubt empowered by Lord Krishna and Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu due to his complete surrender and Bhakti that poured from him . It remains a trancendental mystery as to who Srila Prabhupada really was , one thing is for sure, he was  not of this world,  ever .

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When it comes to bone fide, Gaudia Vaisnavism Sri Guru is one . It’s not a question of your guru , or my Guru , so spiritually , we are always safe . Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami made that clear in his first offering after the disappearance of Srila Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja.  Sri Guru is present in many forms , Srila BR Sridhar Swami would say and if you want Krishna , Krishna will send Guru , Srila Gour Govinda Swami would say  ..The intensity of service and inquiry will vary , thus Diksa and Siksa Guru are generally  required  , as well as the all important Sastra sanga by our predominant acaryas , which are always required . By humble submission and service and training by current acaryas and mature Sadhus , all the param para opens , however, a  proud attitude of  jumping over current sadhus is not recommended . As for the international society for Krishna Consciousness , we , in ISKCON , must make sure Srila Prabhupada’s original intentions are upheld via the constitution of ISKCON.  Srila Prabhupada is uniquely qualified and empowered to carry out the mission of Nityananda prabhu and Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu . Wherein the mood of Both Nityananda prabhu in the vast  peripheral distribution of Krishna consciousness takes place on multiple levels , the rescue mission , as Srila BR Sridhar Swami would say , and he greatly glorified Prabhupada for carrying it out so outstandingly.  These essential teachings  that are permeating the Western world are the framework ,  as Prabhupada said . Srila Prabhupada was also an intimate devotee of Sri Sri  Radha Krishna,  so we can see  also the cor teachings that Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu taught Srila Rupa and Ragganatha Goswami’s were clearly distributed through his litratures and lectures. He could had greatly elaborated upon them , but who could have understood in the Western world ? .Even Srila Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja within India found very few who could genuinely understand the cor teachings , nevertheless he  spoke of them to  leading disciples , and emphasized the importance of them but also the purity first . Work hard bhajan later AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada has written.
The cor and the peripherals flow each way , because the preaching movement of Srila Prabhupāda brings the cor to the peripherals and the peripherals are not neglected by the cor , at least not by genuine Gaudia Vaisnavas . The ISKCON movement is not a movement of bhajananandis , but they are part of the cor in many senses and are welcomed and in another sense increasing . Devi Varna Ashram and a spiritualized world society is the intention of ISKCON , and Srila Prabhupada was most capable to carry these divine orders out ,   he knew of the deep desires of Srila Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja and Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur . Prabhupada was highly intelligent and knew how to make the best of a bad bargain both of the world and within individual people.
ISKCON is doing really really good . It’s diverse and welcoming , everyone has a place , so it’s onwards and upwards and full steam ahead ,  but importantly,  the continuous improvements and refinements  as we all go ahead , along with increasing bhajan , purity and increasingly knowledgeable about both the cor a peripheral essentials  , and it must always respect other bone fide Gaudia Vaisnava groups , whose preaching campaigns may be smaller but still are as important in the eyes of Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu is they are connected via the teachings of the Gaudia Vaisnava acaryas

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A place to be .

Consciousness requires a body to exhibit consciousness within. Generally, that is the case , sometimes, however, the Vedas indicates a consciousness particle can hover close to the material bodily energies but not for various reasons able to aquire an actual body after a death .The supervisory processes and a renewal of a body take place by the working of the material energies.

Bhagavad Gita explains this process,  and it operates ” within the automated process of the universal forms of Divinity,”  a kind of “Divine algorithm ” process is in operation on a spiritual/ material level ,in supervisory terms the spiritual and material collide. In current times, these automated trancendental processes can be perhaps further understood , and thought of as technology that far exceeds human understanding,  spiritual dualism as such.

Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita…

“As wind carries scents (like from a flower or sandalwood) to a new place, the soul (the master of the senses) carries the mind and senses with them when leaving a body. The intense focus of the mind on specific desires at death forces the soul to take a form that suits the soul and enables it to fulfil particular attachments and desires. It’s generally, of course, a whole series of events that shapes the next life . This process explains how one becomes automatically attached to new bodies and situations based on past habits. One famous musician told his mother at seven , ” Don’t try to make me into a sports person , I am going to be a composer of music. Mozart was composing at five years old .

“Bhagavad Gita 15.8 serves as a key verse regarding the mechanics of reincarnation, emphasizing that we are responsible for our spiritual destiny by nurturing our consciousness toward Krishna rather than just material attachments .”

One can, in some cases, for long periods of time and  by proper execution of renounced sacrifices merge into the impersonal energies of Divinity.

However, the theological texts say that eventually, after inculcabable amounts of time, the individual consciousness particle desire to develop relationships . However, if they have not perfected a relationship with Krishna or God , they must again come to the material energies to experience exchanges with other souls .

The spiritual realms are full of spiritual bodies and spiritual varigatedness,  everyone and everything is made of the same energies as consciousness itself , soul on soul exchanges of love . Consciousness is spiritual,  the symptoms of the soul are feelings, and these pure spiritual feelings are exhibited in full spiritual devotional consciousness.

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The vedas says that when the universe comes to an end, all the elements merge back inside themselves, including fire in all its forms as electricity and light

In Vedic philosophy and  cosmology, the end of the universe involves a process called pralaya (dissolution), where gross physical elements systematically de-manifest and merge back into their subtle causes, and ultimately into primordial nature (prakriti). Fire (tejas), along with light and sensory forms, dissolves back into its subtle essence rather than being lost. The Dissolution of Elements..a reverse evolution….The dissolution follows the exact reverse of creation. Gross elements recede into their subtle attributes (tanmatras)..merging  of fire and electricity.  Fire/light (tejas) and its properties dissolve upward into tactile qualities and space (ether), shedding its manifest physical forms.  All material energy ultimately retracts into the unmanifest state of prakriti and back inside Maha Visnu.

Energies are never lost , they are an eternal aspect of the Supreme Brahman.

The subjective followers of scientific materialism and random Darwinianism guess differently….

The Vedas indicates indirectly that the sun , which is devolved from the Bramhajyoti , never neglects a photon of light, and ultimately, all photons of light return back to the sun , or Brahman energies,  at the time of annihilation light absorbs light..

The following of scientific materialism think this …

“Photons do not return to the Sun or get reabsorbed by it during annihilation. Light travels outward through space freely unless blocked, absorbed, or scattered by matter. Photons are not pulled back by gravity, and light annihilation does not happen in standard physics.How Light Moves in SpaceNo return path: Light moves away from the Sun at the speed of light. It never turns around or goes back.Escape: Once a photon leaves the Sun, gravity tries to pull it back, but gravity cannot stop light. Light keeps going straight through the universe.Interception: Some light hits planets, dust, or gas, but most travel forever into deep space.What Happens to LightAbsorption: Atoms in space or on planets take in photons and turn them into heat.Scattering: Dust and gas bounce photons in new directions. Expansion: The universe grows larger, stretching the light waves until they become very weak radio waves. Light and AnnihilationParticle pairs: In high-energy physics, a photon can turn into a particle and an antiparticle, like an electron and a positron.Annihilation: When a particle and an antiparticle meet, they destroy each other and turn back into pure energy, creating new photons.No light absorption: Light does not absorb other light in empty space. High-energy gamma rays can rarely interact under extreme conditions, but they do not suck up light or return it to a star.”..end ….

As we are like light photons compared to the God like sun ,so the photons are never neglected by the sun and return as the Vedas indicates….Similarly Divinity never neglects His parts and parcels. He always gives facilities to them and welcomes them back into his association.

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Srila Visvanatha Cakravati Thakur indicates that as the devotees feel either a deep separation from Krishna,  as is the case with advanced devotees,  or even a separation from Krishna consciousness , that can be felt by less advanced devotees,  such feelings destroy elements of material conditioned consciousness,  or in the case of advanced devotees,  the very finest subtle conditioning.

Srila Visvanatha Cakravati Thakur also indicates feelings of spiritual happiness,  and this will vary according to the maturity and sincerity of the practitioner,  means the spiritual body is forming further , or beginning to form .

Two bodies the Thakur says are in operational mode , one spiritual,  one material,  spiritual life means one supercedes the other .

Much more on this later

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