The correct way to understand how the social religious Vedic societies are to benefit the world , along with its natural and inherant systems bringing social and spiritual mobility for everyone,  reinstating and correctly interpreting its original purposes , beyond the perversions of smarta  caste consciousness , is simply to add Krishna consciousness to an  already existing social system .Four classes of persons are found in all societies , What their particular duties are have been established by Krishna. The founder of ISKCON AC Bhavtivedanta Swami would speak about society as being so many zeros. ZERO is meaningful when the number one is added  , and then so many zeros take on substance. The founder Acarya of ISKCON Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada would say you only have to add Krishna consciousness to what you like to do , and what are your natural inclinations .  The social political proceedings, along with  progressive lives for all, will  occur if the right persons are doing the correct occupations they have the psychological makeup for , importantly, the motivations  for all persons must be linked to scientific dualism , the underlying principle of culture of consciousness as different than matter . Within all societies, different persons have been given  by Divinities arrangements.  There are the intelligentsia , both of the scholarly kind , and the spirituality realised kind , who understand body, mind, and consciousness . They should be the guiding light because they are pure , detached, and devoted to Divinity,  they are expert in understanding every aspect of the Vedas and its practical implementations . Also, within societal affairs, we will find persons of valour , just persons,  protectors of society who feel for the people and want the best for everyone ,  they are warriors and administrators or leaders of mankind , but they are always advised by the intelligentsia.

Naturally, there are business persons who love to turn a profit and can keep economics running nicely , and then we have craftsmen and workers .

Everyone  within the greater body of society simply needs to add  spiritual knowledge ,  i.e. , knowledge of body mind and consciousness,  dualism , to their lives . Scientific materialism and Darwinian hypothesis stops this process , which leads to libertine cultures and sophisticated animal life .If Krishna consciousness or scientific dualism is taught, then motivations and directions change for everyone,  the self-evident truth of equality of all beings is understood, and sensitivity follows .

When the top of society is correctly situated ,  the rest of society automatically follows . Social and spiritual mobility is included within the original Varna Ashram system . Degradation of our world is in full swing and perversions of all kinds , this happens when someone unfit , or a particular group of people who are demons gang together , and  think of themselves as superior and need no lessons from anyone , including God Himself .

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540 sextillion miles.

Says modern science, meaning

5.4×10235.4 cross 10 to the 23rd power5.4×1023 or 540,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles.

Modern science assumes the universe three dimensional. However, the Vedas brings us to the realisations of  the multidimensional universe . So , the measurement of the Vedic universe incorporates aspects of the universe that are near and yet far away from limited senses . Certainly, there are red shift anomalies in the calculations of modern science, Red shifts appear much closeer than they are expected,  as Sadaputa prabhu,  of Dr Richard Thompson, mentioned in his book  on Vedic cosmology . Are the stars so far away ?  on one level , maybe , on another level, maybe not .

For instance, the Vedic cosmological calculations describe multidimensional space , and only 800 miles above this planet, an Upadeva planet exist in their own particular dimension , mystics and yogis can at times commune or even commute the this plane .

The greatly renowned Vedic cosmological scholar in Gaudiya Vaisnavism says this ..

“Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Thakura, recognized as a master of both Siddhantic Vedic astronomy and Puranic literature, provided specific measurements regarding the size of the universe based on classical Vedic texts

. He maintained that the universe is vast, egg-shaped (brahmanda), and, while immense, is only one of innumerable universes in the material creation. 

Measurements and Structure 

• Circumference: Citing the Siddhanta-siromani, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati gave the circumference of this universe as 18,712,069,200,000,000×818 comma 712 comma 069 comma 200 comma 000 comma 000 cross 818,712,069,200,000,000×8 miles.
• Diameter: The inner part of the universe is described as having a diameter of approximately 5,956,200 crore yojanas (roughly 47,649,600 billion miles), according to traditional interpretations.
• Enveloping Layers: The universe is not just the inner space but is enveloped by seven material layers—water, fire, air, space, mind, intelligence, and ego. Each layer is ten times thicker than the previous one.( these layers could be understood as the potentials of the atomic and quantum realms ready to respond to the needs of the classical physical world)
• Total Size: When accounting for these seven layers, the total diameter is calculated as over 5×10145 cross 10 to the 14th power5×1014 billion miles, which is often interpreted as approximately 90 billion light-years. 

Perspective on Cosmology 

• Inconceivable Size: He emphasized that these dimensions are inconceivable to the tiny brain of a human being and cannot be fully measured by human scientists.
• Innumerable Universes: He highlighted that this universe is considered the smallest among the innumerable universes, which exist in the material creation.
• Vs. Modern Science: He supported the view of the universe as a round sphere (bhu-mandala) by citing authorities like the Surya Siddhanta, Siddhanta Siromani, and Aryabhata.
• Purpose of Knowledge: He taught that the ultimate purpose of this knowledge is not mere physical measurement, but to recognize the supreme potency of God (Kṛṣṇa). 

In summary, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati presented the Vedic view of a very large, layered, and multi-layered universe that is relatively small compared to the total material, and ultimately, spiritual creation. “

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Srila Visvanatha Cakravati Thakur indicates in his Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4 text 10 that by performing jnana tapasya, one can attain realisations of the eternal nature and appearance of Divinity. “One becomes purified by austerity in the form of tolerating the burning poison of wrong ideas  or thinking , wrong logic, and wrong arguments.” he says .
The Gaudia Vaisnava acaryas have some stalwart scholars amongst them Srila Rupa Goswami, Srila Jiva Goswami to begin with and of course Srila Visvanatha Cakravati Thakur and in recent times ,Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami, Srila BR Sridhar Swami and the extremely intelligent and very practical Srila AC Bhavtivedanta Swami who miraculously brought Krishna consciousness all over the world inspiring and teaching some of his leading disciples…

Ramanuja acarya says wise persons give up attachments,  effections or fears, or anger for those who speak nonsensical ways ,  because the wise are throughly absorbed in meditations,  hearing,  chanting and singing and speaking of the glories of Krishna and His associates and cannot really be disturbed .

Material calculations of every kind ….within modern societies

Much unthinking much speculation.

Mass education in the West centred around scientific materialism and Darwinian hypothesis is facilitating a host of unoriginal and unthinking persons , each of whom follow like sheep or lemmings off a cliff previously established speculative persons. The world veiw of the West in saturated with the influences of these two fallacies. The exploitative economy of the world centred on trickle down economics on a  world scale is a falsehood.  The self-evident truth of the equality and equal rights of all is swallowed up by the Darwinian survival of the fittest macro model . The educational systems generally grant pieces of paper they call a degree after being indoctrinated,  and persons think themselves  smart . Generally, such people who even have  higher degrees or PHD’S step up as government advisors and bring with them their unoriginal and unthinking indoctrinated worldview. If we take a look at Western societies and their so-called  governance and compliance systems , we can see the mess they get the world in and its getting worse. The speculative sciences that  they continue to present ,and  their unthinking ideas ,  are taught to other unthinking persons , in the name of objective sciences , although they are clearly not .  It’s no wonder that the great and very honest and objective Richard Feynman said, “that you can have a pocket full of PHD’S and still be a complete idiot “…look at the world. The world is immediately put back on track with scientific dualism , knowledge of consciousness and matter as two distinct substances , this knowledge has deep implications and ramifications , about the way we treat the world and other people within it . Knowledge of the equality of all and a  respect of all cultures is the Vedic way,  and the way of the sensitive philosophically astute intelligentsia.
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Sprung out of nowhere

Dec 15th, 2025

Stephen Hawkins thought towards the end of his life that the universe just popped out of some random quantum and  unspecified field, so perhaps consciousness too had occurred in a similar fashion.
Universes and consciousness could have  just popped out of any specific point , atoms and energies are surrounding us, he thought , and actually, “we dont know their origins or what they are capable of ” .  He speculated in these ways. The scientific materialism disciples have to ignore the precision and precise universe ,that is objectively seen to exhibit perfect math and symmetry. ” A God ” ,say the atheistic Darwinian or follower of scientific materialism , that’s ” impossible “ curious conclusions  , Richard Dawkins tells his students to ignore any ” appearance of design ”
The late and great Sadaputa prabhu joked  about this, saying, ” Here is a point , and here is another point and here another, which one did the universe or consciousness pop out of “
Of course, in Vedic terms , indeed, Krishna who originated the universe and the individual particles of consciousness,  is within every atom .However,  He is also outside the atom .He is near but far , inside and outside , very small but universally gigantic.  Everything stems from one source , the cause of all causes has multifarious energies at his disposal.  He , we can say, is the supreme ” point ” of everything in more ways than one .

Cern ….and the chasing  of particles …..

The Vedas would indicate that Higgs Boson is just the beginning of a series of smaller and smaller  particles that lead to an ethereal plane . The subtle energies have an inherant connection to every kind of matter, and such ethereal energies origins with a transformation of sound , sound means something, or someone is making sound , and sound means a command as well .  Consciousness in conditioned life is attracted to  and simultaneously attached to matter , in one sense, it’s the cause of conditioned life , an attraction serves as a cause of a series of events . God does not manifest matter for his pleasure ,  it’s for our independence from him , its us that desire to be an artificial supreme enjoyer,  in imitation,  however an enjoyer must be able to bring everyone enjoyment , we cant , in fact in our enjoyment we make others suffer .Krishna creates and does so because we desire to live separately from Him . Krishna’s responsive universe makes all arrangements , ultimately everything in every detail is stemming from Him , the cause of all causes, mind, matter, etc etc , He sees and hears first , then we can see and hear  . The Srimad Bhagavatam 1.1.1 describes everything in one statement. Look it up .

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Our universe…

When we say our universe is a responsive universe , it’s responsive to the continuous independent actions of the countless living particles of consciousness who reside within its fourteen planetary systems . We mean, of course, there is a  personal element to all these affairs . Everything is ultimately personal and stems from originally one creative personality that becomes many . This is Divinity or God or Krishna, the supreme Personality of Godhead,  every theologically driven culture indicates God , each theological culture will find different things to say about the unlimited,  time , place and circumstance differ in their different accounts.
Nothing automated anywhere gets automated of its own accord, of course. There is a plan  , a course of action, and a high degree of expertise, and engineering, along with technologies.
Throughout our vastly situated universe, there are thirty-three million Demigod assistants who run universal affairs of every kind the fifth Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam tells . There are many more Upadevas who are the assistances of the assistances of Maha Visnu and Bramha, the empowered engineer .
Everything is happening by the supreme desire of Krishna. This consciousness is Krishna consciousness, says Srila AC Bhavtivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Another point to consider is that there are 400,000 species of “humanoids “within the universe. The universe is functioning within multidimensional levels, utalising gross and ethereal energies and varieties of combinations of them each in different ways. The Vedic cosmological  picture has been well written on . Recently, Dr Richard Thompson PhD , also known as Sadaputa das , has written and lectured on this topics.. What we can see and hear others can not ,  and that works both ways.. The Harvard Prof Lisa Randall and many others know of multidimensional universes and pure  mathematics are used in calculations to show this existence. There are unlimited points, unlimited lines , unlimited planes, and unlimited solids , all corresponding and interactive with each other .
Such is a tiny fragment of the power of Divinity who has manifested billions of such universes ..
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Many aspects of the Vedas can be corroborated scientifically and veiwed  plainly as part of  observed  objective sciences . Explanations are within the Vedas of many kinds of unexplained phenomena , at least in terms of our current scientific community and what they can  currently understand.  Knowledge that the  world of scientific materialism and Darwinian hypothesis have no explanations for or even comprehend , the obvious is sometimes stubbornly ignored by those attached to conditioned thinking , this stems from pride . The simple explanations of the origins of the information in the DNA codes and the highly organised engineering taking place  along with informational exchanges  whilst every single species of life is built from its beginnings needs careful consideration. The Vedas indicates a consciousness particle  injected into a womb , and following is a higher complex process when two of the two parents’ DNA mix to form a gross body and three different suble minds are brought together.  Of course, molecules don’t move towards life, and the information contained within the codes logically imply creative energies . Information does not spring from nowhere,  the information and its sources and multifarious energies are spoken of in the Vedas .

Also..

Out-of-body experiences (OBEs) are recognized in scientific literature as a relatively common, albeit not fully understood, phenomenon that affects an estimated 10% to 20% of the population at least once in their lifetime. While they are often described in spiritual terms, researchers generally define them as complex dissociative or perceptual experiences rather than a physical departure from the body. 

The Vedas have the full explanation in the third Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam , and in other parts of the Vedas, one can make a study to understand mind , body and consciousness and how they interact with the help of authorities.

When we dream at night, we are speaking , hearing, and acting sensually, but we have forgotten of the other body lying in bed or our daytime relationships .This ethereal energies that entraps the minds energies and creates forms of both subtle and gross matter are given explanations with the Vedas . The causes of the transmigration of the consciousness into another body are the minds desires and how a living being uses a mind , along with a set of senses .

Science is seen as an authority,  you either accept someone like Richard Dawkins or Lea Cronin, or you can accept Vedic scholars . The same process of acceptance of authority of scholarship is in each culture of the sciences.

But how do you know they know ?…. The Vedic authorities are based on objective sciences, and strong evidence of logic is applied that can be clearly examined and studied .Those authorities from  scientific materialism and Darwinian hypothesis appear to all sense and purposes as highly speculative and without logic .

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When someone is neglecting their best interests its the responsibility of someone with  better understandings and who has a particular persons best  interests at heart to attempt to educate or inform such persons the clear , beneficial , and objectively observable way to see things or proceed , to not do so would be negligence. Such a well wisher would be deeply concerned and make any attempt they could so a person could avoid further  entangling and harmful consequences.  In the case of  human life and its potential and its pitfalls , the Vedas give multitudes of guidance for the good and warnings for potential and definitive harms .  A person living within the material world  the Vedas has defined must understand the status of the reactionary and responsive universe as well as the sciences in operation . However, knowingly or unknowingly, everyone has to face the consequences of the many universal laws . Free will and determinism are part of universal laws , but also  justice along with governance and compliance as laid out within the Vedas should be operational. ” The king can do no wrong ” That’s not a Vedic stanza , rather one who does wrong or suffers wrong is wrong .  Laws are clearly defined within the Vedas and are  well understood by the Sattvic intelligentsia .Anyone coming to this world carries burdens and debts . Incalculably complex karmic synchronicities are operational for everyone as a space time continuum connects a past , a present, and a future . Those without the specific tools to hand or the association of the Sattvic intelligentsia have no way of understanding events . What is  described as good and bad in ordinary material life calculations are in absolute  spiritual terms  described in one sense as all bad , simply because they further create material bodies , good or bad karma is still karma.  This is because good karma and bad karma deviate one from the best of destinations for the beings . A place free from  birth , death , old age, and disease , along with the atoms , elements, and compounds that facilitate temporary lives . Everything can be left behind along with the influences of the ethereal subtle modes of nature that force the conditioned souls to act practically against their wishes , Those conditioned minds and the neurons firing , this is the power of maya , or the illusory energies . The subsequent material desires  one entangled can be   overwhelming . It’s God’s made tricks and  illusions ,  What do you expect , He is the supreme wizard of illusions. However, we wanted it , this is not God’s plan for us , we choose .
Death is very much feared by everyone . If there is God , and there is ,  people shake their fists in anger at Him . Why , because everything in their lives is taken away , they see this as unfair.  However, someone who lives a life of harm to themselves and to others causes  greater and greater entanglements and pain to themselves . They may miss out on something far, far greater . Those  persons who have not scientifically understood dualism , or any of  their full  potentials  and who have neglected  to  fully understand objective sciences , that of mind , matter, and consciousness need a reset , and a reset is mercy .
Part of the reset can be the  rectification processes, which will  assist in a good  recovery of calculating  consciousness  potential . This can mean a spell within the mindsets of the animal kingdoms . Previous synchronicities can be played out in relative safety, avoiding harm to other humans ..The reset of a death and new life should always be seen in positive ways . God is all good and eternally has the interests of every  living being deep within His own  heart . With that purpose, He constantly accompanies every being within their hearts . Ultimately , much greater destinations are awaiting for everyone , both for a progressive life in this world and beyond where natural spiritual bliss and happiness are accompanied by pure love in the association of highly elevated souls and where Krishna likes to be . God or Krishna lives in the super subjective spiritual realm realms , birth , death , old age, and disease are unheard of . Miseries of bodies , minds, and miseries inflicted by other conditioned beings are fully absent , there are no harmful conflicts,  just blissful ones .Those who are currently inflicted by the material energies and laws of physics need to know scientifically why and spiritually why .There are answers that are logical and rational.
Child like purity and simplicity are the quality of the soul . Living without physical laws and their influences is natural. Living for the moment is a spiritual dimension , and increasing ever new  enthusiasm for life  should be accompanied by bliss . That is the natural state that is inherently stationed within the heart. This reality beyond the temporary experiences within matter will always be in the company of Divinity and His associates . The windows to the spiritual realms have been opened fully by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His main followers and teachers the six Goswami’s of Vrndavana.  They are unlimitedly and spiritually  astounding , describing soul to soul connections . This is everyone’s right and our destination . Death comes to take us a little closer in one way or another .

Thus Krishna says …

janma karma ca me divyam
evaṁ yo vetti tattvataḥ
tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma
naiti mām eti so ’rjuna

Translation

One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.

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When one became two and then one again , the mysterious trancendental circumstances of Radha Krishna and Their ever expanding love and attraction for each other, the very origins of loving affairs of which a temporary miniscule portion can be reflected in this life for a few short years . Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu comes to demonstrate and glorify the power , beauty and purity of the Love of Srimati Radharani and Radharani reveals the original trancendental cupid who dances like a billion cupids within the groves of the trysting ground of Vraj, the trancendental abode of Vraja Raja Krishna.
Everything is explained by the Gaudia Vaisnava acaryas in their litratures beginning with Srila Rupa Goswami and Srila Ragganatha das Goswami , who were personally taught by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Caitanya Caratamrita Ādi 1.5

rādhā kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛtir hlādinī śaktir asmād
ekātmānāv api bhuvi purā deha-bhedaṁ gatau tau
caitanyākhyaṁ prakaṭam adhunā tad-dvayaṁ caikyam āptaṁ
rādhā-bhāva-dyuti-suvalitaṁ naumi kṛṣṇa-svarūpam

Translation
The loving affairs of Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are transcendental manifestations of the Lord’s internal pleasure-giving potency. Although Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are one in Their identity, previously They separated Themselves. Now these two transcendental identities have again united, in the form of Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya. I bow down to Him, who has manifested Himself with the sentiment and complexion of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī although He is Kṛṣṇa Himself..

The books of Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada have brought all these trancendental treasures all over the world .
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The logic of Sir Isaac..

Sir Isaac Newton’s argument against atheism

Atheism is so senseless & odious to mankind that it never had many professors. Can it be by accident that all birds beasts & men have their right side & left side alike shaped (except in their bowels) & just two eyes & no more on either side the face & just two ears on either side the head & a nose with two holes & no more between the eyes & one mouth under the nose & either two fore leggs or two wings or two arms on the sholders & two leggs on the hipps one on either side & no more? Whence arises this uniformity in all their outward shapes but from the counsel & contrivance of an Author? Whence is it that the eyes of all sorts of living creatures are transparent to the very bottom & the only transparent members in the body, having on the outside an hard transparent skin, & within transparent juyces with a crystalline Lens in the middle & a pupil before the Lens all of them so truly shaped & fitted for vision, that no Artist can mend them? Did blind chance know that there was light & what was its refraction & fit the eys of all creatures after the most curious manner to make use of it? These & such like considerations always have & ever will prevail with man kind to believe that there is a being who made all things & has all things in his power & who is therfore to be feared. — as mentioned in “A short Schem of the true Religion”

Isaac Newton.

The Vedic writing confirms of course all that the great scholar presents , and anyone with any sense will recognise the difference between objective and subjective sciences. A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. It’s never guessing but based on real events in the real world.  The problems with the modern educational system including its teaching of scientific materialism and  Darwinian hypothesis is  its taught to young students as fact based science . Fom infant school, the children are shown pictures of apes turning into men , caused they say by chance mutational process , although there is no explanation of mutational math . When groups of school children are marched into the London science of history museum, the first thing they see and experience is an overload of subjective sciences,  a massive display of the  Darwinian hypothesis , presented as pure  fact based science.

Slaughter houses of education that attempt to present speculations as absolute truth .  Times are changing the Darwinian has had his day , real scientific studies of matter , mind and consciousness are  taking its place , and that will reshape not only the way we think , but what our values and world veiw is and the economies.

The Discovery Institute and the Bhaktivedanta Institute are certainly doing stirling work in that regard. Look them up .

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Exchanges of cultures and surprising results .

We could say that inadvertently the British coming to India contributed to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s Sankirtana movement . The British  introduced Western sciences , technologies, and educational systems that brought knowledge of the worlds cultures and scientific thinking as well as philosophically driven opinion of Western cultures centred around theological thoughts and scientific materialism.  The British were, of course, well travelled in their drive to increase businesses. The Industrial Revolution was in full swing, and practically all over the world, they had contacts. The new order needed understanding. Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja and his leading disciples including Srila AC Bhavtivedanta Swami Prabhupada and Srila BR Sridhar Swami were well educated in British led educational system’s and colleges, Prabhupada had great respect for his professors who he described as kind gentleman. Those who were political leaders were the ruthless ones , influences of businessman were deeply imbeded into so-called democracies, and they take profit at any cost , including cutting the thumbs of weavers in the cotton trade .
With education and communications of Western thinking it was been easy for our acaryas to bring Vedic Culures to the West , and transpose it into Western cultures and actually in todays world the Vedic sciences are becoming highly respected, both Niels Bohr and Erwin Schrödinger studied aspects of the Vedas dealing with consciousness.
The many possibilities of quantum physics tell of a responsive universe, the universe the Vedas defines. ….

More on this and how Divinity accomplishes many things by one action , sometimes favouring devotees sometimes Demons , as the Srimad Bhagavatam tells..

Freewill and determinism need facilities in many creative ways are inacted , God is the supremely creative person and simultaneously giving leeway and freedoms to all , at least the impression of freedoms , that fools the entire  world,  He is the supremely trickiest person as well
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