Difference between material and spiritual pleasure  : What is spiritual pleasure?

The Vedas have a lot to say on this topic  , material pleasure is pleasure utalising bodily sences and  the mental pleasures of contemplations , i.e. acceptance or rejection  within the mind of future sensual experiences. The intellectual pleasure  is also of  many forms, including a  philosophical speculative process that also brings a degree of pleasure , the craving for knowledge, and the pride of being  right about everything .  Intelligence can also be creative in many ways and can express ideas or philosophy . It’s always rewarding to get other people to have deeper and new insights. A sense of control or understanding can be  broadly described as material pleasure. Such expressions within the material world  have a beginning, a middle, and an end , although deeper learning and impressions are carried to our next life, the Vedas indicate.

Spiritual pleasure  however is based on a state of deeper consciousness , the direct consciousness of the doul , its an uncovering process , pure knowledge and natural bliss are inherently the constitution of life in real terms. That is a state beyond the sensual , mental, and intellectual platforms. These are described in  spiritual categories as the pleasure of Brahman consciousness , the pleasure of Paramātma consciousness, and the pleasure of Bhagavan consciousness .

Each of the above categories need a thorough explanation but in brief , we can say understanding and experience of God’s impersonal spiritual energies , or His localised energies or His personal form the cause of all causes and the energetic source of all spiritual realms and energies.

In the Vedas the living beings are described as pleasure seeking , this is so because they originate from God who is ever expanding in His pleasure and is the master at creating it and enjoying.

God was one , it is said , He became two known as Radha Krishna , and from them both other unlimited expansions are manifest .

Srimati Radharani is the personification of Krishna’s pleasure seeking potency , and this  Supreme Goddess of Fortune  Radharani is the most expert in all the known and unknown arts . The 64 spiritual excellences are  spontaneously exuding   from Her and Her associates , unlimited and ever new playfulness and pleasures , enjoyed with spiritual senses in a spiritual forms .  Krishna is forever attracted to these spiritually exquisite trancendental exhibitions of pleasures that create direct euphoric emotional experiences. The spiritual senses and emotions are non different to the soul , everything is absolute. Radharani is  equally forever attracted to the super excellence of Krishna’s form qualities and pastimes. Consciousness has never had a beginning, a middle or an end , so Krishna consciousness is a realm without atoms elements compounds and ethereal minds and thus pleasure increasingly occurs with no end in site .

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AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada commented..

“So if we read the Vedic literature, and you get full knowledge, and the essence of Vedic literature is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. And the Bhagavad-gītā is the preliminary study of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, A-B-C-D. This Bhagavad-gītā is the A-B-C-D of knowledge. This is entrance examination, matriculation examination, school-leaving examination. And Śrīmad-Bhāgavata is graduate. When you become graduate in spiritual knowledge, then you can understand Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. And when you have passed your Bachelor degree, when you are postgraduate, that study is Śrī-Caitanya-caritāmṛta.”

In a further conversation he makes the point who the Bhagavatam is for , it’s for those who have given up envy of God..

Prof. Hopkins: I’m not thinking so much of the specific cantos as the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam as a whole. Is that, for you, as you see it, more important than Bhagavad-gītā?

Prabhupāda: No, Bhagavad-gītāis the preliminary study of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

Prof. Hopkins: So you would see the two related to each other.

Prabhupāda: Yes. If one can understand Bhagavad-gītā, then he becomes a bona fide student of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

Prof. Hopkins: Oh.

Prabhupāda: Because in the… You have read Bhagavad-gītā?

Prof. Hopkins: Oh, yes. I have.

Prabhupāda: So Bhagavad-gītā,last instruction is, sarva dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66] = “You give up all kinds of occupation and just surrender unto Me.” If one can take it very seriously, understand, then he can enter into the study of Bhāgavatam. The Bhāgavatambegins from the point where Kṛṣṇa left Bhagavad-gītā. So He advised that “You surrender to Me,” and Bhāgavata begins, satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi [SB 1.1.1] = “I am worshiping the Supreme Truth.” And next verse is, dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo ‘tra [SB 1.1.2] = “All cheating type of religious system is rejected.” So this is rather revolting. Kṛṣṇa says, sarva dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66] = “Give up all kinds of religious system, just surrender to Me.” And from that point Bhāgavata begins, “All cheating type of religious system is rejected.”

It is meant for the paramahaṁsa. Paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ. Those who are envious, for them is not Bhāgavata. So any materialistic person, he is envious. So it is not meant for the materialistic person. Those who are spiritually advanced, one who has understood that “I am not this body, I am spirit soul. My direct connection is with God, therefore my only business is to serve God,” one who has come to this conclusion, he is called paramahaṁsa. Haṁsa means swan. A swan, it has got a quality that if you give the swan to drink milk mixed with water, she will drink the milk and reject the water. She has got the capacity. [chuckles] So paramahaṁsa means one who has taken the essence of the existence, Absolute Truth, he is called paramahaṁsa.

In the Caitanya Caritamrita in his conversations with Ramananda Raya Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu takes us through all the paths and brings us to its ultimate conclusion.

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On any production line in factories up and down the country, one can witness computerised  machines or robotics  fed specific information  or codes that are  uploaded and functioning  in programmed ways . You can also witness various selection mechanisms built into the programming  for  many adapted purposes. For instance, the size of a particular drilled part may have to be changed , or  any part of a moulding or shell can be  slightly modified for set  particular purposes . Considerable and almost unlimited varigatedness of a  manufacturing  process follows very  similar methods at its basics  , yet with  adjustments to programming  controlled by the information fed into the production process brings the many  different results . It might be  an adaption or even a totally different looking manufactured item made .

The speculative Darwinians are so caught up in false logic and arguments that they fail to understand the simplicity of same engineer different engineering characteristics.

Look at the codes of the genome ACTG.with it’s endless combinations , take a 21 roller bike chain , could you unlock it by chance . HOW many different combinations might there be ?

So each creature and bodies have various amounts of sugars , nucleotide, amino acids, and lipids , all arrangements by DNA  coding with the RNA messengers making the arrangements.

See this description.

“Different creatures can have varying levels of sugars, nucleotides, amino acids, and lipids in their cells and tissues. These biomolecules are essential for life, but their proportions and types can differ significantly between species, even among those that are closely related.

Several factors contribute to these differences:

1. Diet and nutrition: The availability and types of nutrients in an organism’s diet can influence the levels and types of biomolecules present in its cells. adaptations: Different species  thrive in various environments, leading to variations in their metabolic pathways, energy storage, and biomolecule composition.
2. Cellular structure and function: The specific functions and structures of cells, tissues, and organs can require unique combinations and concentrations of biomolecules.
3. Developmental stages: The composition of biomolecules can change during an organism’s development, growth, and aging.

Some examples of differences in biomolecule composition include:

• Sugar metabolism: Some organisms, like plants, store energy in the form of starch, while others, like animals, use glycogen.
• Amino acid composition: Different species have varying requirements for essential amino acids, which are necessary for protein synthesis.
• Lipid composition: The types and proportions of lipids in cell membranes can vary significantly between species, influencing membrane structure and function.
• Nucleotide composition: The genetic material (DNA and RNA) of different species can have distinct nucleotide compositions, reflecting their unique evolutionary histories.

These differences are a reflection of the incredible diversity of life on Earth “

What is the difficulty in understanding engineer?

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I would say the works of Rupa and Ragganatha are something like the puranas and itihasa.
In Kali yuga, it’s very difficult to source the meaning of the Vedas. Thus, the puranas and itihasa are more easily understood . These are the  trancendental historical accounts of spiritual activities carried out by Krishna or His incarnations and expansions . Did Krishna not come to display lilas for the purpose of attracting His devotees and didn’t Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu , particularly in Kali yuga where the Vedas is little understood request and empower Rupa Ragganatha and the other Goswami’s to write of these both in philosophical terms as well as to record those trancendental events . Such trancendence is deeply within the  hearts of the Goswami’s ,  their deep meditations  , thus their writings bring. the very pinnacle of the truths of Vedas and the ultimate goal of how to attain an attraction for and perfect our love of God .

Both Krishna in Vrndavana in Mathura and Dwarka are described and many many trancendental lessons can be learned from them via Krishna’s pure devotees who have recorded them so both Sastra sanga and Sadhu sanga are important to Gaudia Vaisnava devotees

Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu lila is also described by them ,  Gaura lila Krishna Lila no difference one in union one in separation . Mahāprabhu clearly shows the strict life of a renounciant , and by that process, only one can access the truths of the Vedas . One who engages in material sense gratification outside of Vedic principles can not access the secret of all secrets.
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In the spiritual realms, romanticism and conjugal affairs are also enjoyed ,  but these eternally situated pastimes  are the polar opposite of the self centred lust of the  gross affairs of the uncultured materialist , who have no thoughts beyond the temporary fleeting pleasure of conditioned senses . One might say there are similarities to the street dogs in one respect , here today gone tomorrow.

Rather,  in trancendence affairs with  eternal   attraction and commitment accompanied by ever new and increasing excitement . The direct plane of the soul .

The spiritual relationships are eternally situated, and ever new enthusiasm is forever experienced with spiritual senses and emotions that are directly connected to the soul.

In the spiritual realms, the body and the soul are the same , made of pure consciousness energies. There are no atoms elements or compounds that are subjected to dwindling and death . Rather , the increasing euphoric bliss and attractions  to one another have no  beginning and no end with no selfishness in sight .

The portions of the Vedas called the Smriti, particularly of the followers of Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu give many descriptions of such loving affairs in all their  formats , either Svakiya or Parakiya . Such is the glory of Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu , and although fools rush in where angels dare to tread , Srila Rupa Goswami one of the main authors of the Smriti,  says one should develop by the right methods and association greed to understand and enter into these realms of Vrndavana.

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The human form of life, according to the Vedas, is to learn to bring happiness and to  help each other in numerous ways a supportive community . This  type of consciousness is the consciousness of the highest of classes , the true intelligensia who should lead and direct our administrations for  such pure person’s are always bathed in Sabdha Brahman , the knowledge of the Vedas , Veda mean knowlege .
Such purity emanates from their speeches and actions .
Humanity, in the cause of time, has lost its way. The good has been superceded by the bad and the ugly.
Still , inevitably, good sense prevails, and the nature of the crooked bad and ugly becomes obvious , and overwhelming they will be rejected.

It is the responsive Divinity who  reestablishes broad religious principles, and He does so again and again in many many ways.
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In Vedic epistemology,  looking at the aquasition of knowledge, it is said … previous knowledge is annulled by contrary later knowledge rather than  previous knowledge annuling later knowledge..Knowledge of an object to be silver comes first , later knowledge cancels that knowledge having been tested its found not to be silver .
This is most definitely the case when we consider the Darwinians who thought they had presented factual objective science that they were masquerading as factual , but later observations by the Bhaktivedanta Institute and especially the Discovery institute has shown that the Darwinians calculations are highly speculative and based on guessing, their inferior calculations have been replaced by factual objective science, which is corroborated in the Vedas .
Nothing less than intelligent design is witnessed, and every aspect of objective science points to that .

The Vedas mean knowledge , it is complete and absolute at all times in all places at all times . When one looks carefully and intelligently, everything for mankind is contained within it . Access , insight, and understanding are granted to those who are honest , truly inquisitive, and who are truly humble as well as respectful of all living beings.

Thus, the eternal Vedas enter into the hearts of the truthful and pure .

We shall elaborate further on these points shortly
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Don’t kill the messenger or the message.

“The statement is partially accurate. While Jewish leaders, particularly the Sanhedrin, were instrumental in Jesus’ arrest and trial, they did not have the authority to order his execution. Crucifixion was a Roman method of punishment, and Jesus was ultimately sentenced and crucified by the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, at the behest of the Jewish leaders.
Here’s a more detailed explanation:
The Jewish Leaders’ Role:
Challenge to Authority:
Jesus challenged the religious leaders’ authority by criticizing their hypocrisy and interpretations of the law.
Sabbath Observance:
Jesus healed people on the Sabbath, which the Jewish leaders considered a violation of their laws.
Claims of Messiahship:
Jesus’ claim to be the Messiah, the Son of God, was seen as a threat by the Jewish leaders who saw themselves as the true representatives of God.
Threat to their Religious System:
Jesus’ teachings and actions were seen as undermining the existing religious order.
Blasphemy Charge:
The Jewish leaders charged Jesus with blasphemy (claiming to be God’s Son) before the Sanhedrin, but the Sanhedrin did not have the power to impose the death penalty.
Pressure on Pilate:
The Jewish leaders pressured Pilate to condemn Jesus by falsely accusing him of sedition (claiming to be the King of the Jews), and shouting “Crucify him!”. “

The smarta Brahminical classes of India also currupted truth, and examples of established authorities in other cultures are to be found .
Traditions are important, but the following of  traditions and scripture without perverse interpretation is crucial.
The checks and balance of Guru Sadhu Sastra is the Vediic way .
But in time, God Himself has to come to put things straight. Again and again, He does this throughout the long history of this universe , which is currently approximately halfway through a 311 trillion year cycle
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Super subjective realm.

When Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu took sannyasa Ashram He immediately desired to go to Vrndavana, the most Holy place in where the  Spirtual world has decended and where spontaneous love for Krishna is forever and increasingly experienced.

Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu is setting the perfect example for us all , but on the other hand, as it has been described by our Gaudia Vaisnava acaryas  , Vrndavana can be , and is  refered to as  a state of mind . Wherever Mahāprabhu was that was Vrndavana, and the same applies for His pure devotees.

Once, when  Lord Siva appeared to disrespect his father in law Daksya ,  Lord Siva’s wife asked him why he had done so . Lord Siva replied that it was not deliberately done but that he had not stood up to show respect to Daksya because Lord Siva said , “I am always absorbed in thoughts of Krishna ,” . This state of mind is  called Suddha Satva  consciousness , pure trancendental goodness on a super subjective spiritual plane . It can be achieved by hearing pure sound called Sabdha Brahman coming from pure devotees .

In the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna speaks of different ways of acquiring knowledge  , either from one’s own limited sences , including the mind and intelligence , which is limited,  or acceptance of others knowledge and experience ,which can also be limited . Krishna also speaks of knowledge of an impersonal spiritual light, a kind of relief and release from all troubles . Srila Jiva Goswami compares that  kind of impersonal liberation to a satisfying deep sleep.

But the highest goals of spiritual realms decend by grace when one practices devotion to God in the association of  His pure representatives and crucially following their teachings . That brings about the   Suddha Satva state , the consciousness that Mahaprabhu and Lord Siva demonstrated. It decends by grace and is received from a perfect source , ie.  someone who is self realised in knowledge of God and who understands applications of the Vedas . Such a person has heard pure sound , accepted pure sound, and vibrates pure sound .

We should also note from Krishna’s pure spiritual subjective thinking  the whole material universe is born , thus, as some physicists understand, there is a curious connection between our willpower and the energies that it can attract.

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It behoves everyone to think about the cause of all causes , Richard Feynman says it fun to think of the causes of a cause . One should do so by applying rationale and logic as much as possible ,but remember our senses and minds and intellects have limitations . Nevertheless, we can use them in sensible and objective ways .
For instance in the distance you see smoke in a mountain , one cannot necessarily conclude there is fire , because the fire may have been extinguished by water just recently , or it might be vapour from a mountain cave .
How will you know ? By hearing from a credible source who has insight and knowledge and has seen if there is fire still burning.

Thus, pure sound will indicate truth , more so than impressions of the sences,  or previous experiences we have had or even previous ancestors who have recorded and realised by experiences , although some truths can be gathered in those ways , but not all truth .

The Vedas say seek Sabdha Brahman pure sounds coming from pure persons who have by  discerning and understanding the Vedas and who live by the Vedas can vibrate and realise truth. Once one thing is known, everything is known,  which applies to realising Divinity.
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