Absolute nature of Krishna consciousness

Hearing from the acaryas , the origins trancendental phenomena .

When Srimati Radharani is feeling intense separation from Her eternal paramour , Her Manjari friends have the ability to remind Vrsabhanu Nandini of Her  previous encounters with Krishna within the trysting grouds .

Because these Manjaris are tad bhavika devotees,  they are able to fully express the various trancendental Parakiya trancendental emotions of the encounters that Srimati Radharani had previously experienced. The absolute nature of a spiritual realm has been described , the ecstatic displays are eternally manifested and ever new with the unlimited trancendental realms of both the  ” objective and the subjective” spiritual planes being non different  . The Manjaris remind Srimati Radharani of those encounters, and as such, Krishna Katha  fills Radharanis,’ heart and mind with that same  blissful and fully spiritual absolute nature .  Those very encounters ,  trancendental as they are  , with Krishna in Their  spiritual loving affairs are experienced both in union and separation.

Such are the trancendental mysteries of a trancendental world where everything is absolute , Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s  devotees who directly associated with Him were tasked by Him to relate these trancendental truths,  thus the Gaudia Vaisnava’s worship the six Goswami’s of Vrndavana.

Indeed, Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu has taught the world,  the Names of God are non different than God , He is fully present in His names , we just have to develop the kind of devotion that can bring us to the point of realising this truth and if  we associate with devotees who have this experience they  can  help us serve in similar ways , and such devotees can also  help us understand and relish sastra sanga .

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One of the original 11 Gurus offered a letter of apology, but thought they should have remained Ritvic…..
My reply ..
Nice to take the humble approach, but the ritvic stops after Prabhupada’s departure, then our Gaudia Vaisnava traditions and our param para teachings are to act , if persons want your guidance, as Siksa or Diksa , and as Srila Sridhar Swami told the GBC at the time , the imposed 11 should be increased to any of Prabhupada’s disciples who were in good standing or knowledgeable and had proven service record. And who the prospective disciples saw Bhakti to Krishna within , they should give .
And one of the biggest errors was to completely over emphasis Diksa and attempt to eradicate Siksa , Srila Sridhar Swami also gave his opinions and advice on that as well .
Especially because our param para line has many current examples of Siksa , we must follow and not concoct .

If we simply change to word Ritvic to Siksa and if persons wishing to see quite rightly Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada as their predominant Siksa Guru, what is the difficulty.?
They should, however, seek formal initiation from an advanced devotee , at least he or she should be Madhyama and fixed up with a service record and knowledgeable in Sastra .
Such a person helps greatly in spiritual life , so is not a mere formality, in many cases that person remains the main link and provides Diksa and Siksa , or one may seek Siksa from other more advanced devotees as well as Sastra Sanga from our param para , who are beyond space time and fully present in their writings to those that have humbly rendered service’s to the param para past and present in cooperative spirit .
These are the traditional teachings of our Gaudia Vaisnava param para .
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In the early days of ISKCON, and I speak of when Srila Prabhupada left the planet , difficult times were to come , even in the Sastra its recorded,  when the Acarya leaves problems will occur.

The fact that ISKCON remains and is flourishing,  despite all the accusations one might want to throw upon the early GBC is a testament to their services to Prabhupada.

The movement could have very easily fractured , so many young men and women with hot heads and strong ideas , “someone’s” had to initially keep things together,  and although it was by far from perfect,  still the movement survived and improved and still to this day continues to thrive .

Those strong minded early GBC men who imposed themselves both in management and Guruship , were wrong and not wrong , Krishna sometimes works in strange ways , but today’s results of a thriving ISKCON cannot be ignored .

Many offences were committed by many , even against Prabhupada and his God brothers and of course ISKCON devotees,  but the Vaiṣṇavas have generosity at heart and can easily forgive , the Vaiṣṇavas never hold grudges.

You’ll know something by its results,  and early days were tough days , and learning circles were everywhere,  but things get settled up and ISKCON marches on .

So fools step in where angels dare to tread , but in Kali yuga, some strong steps are needed, and , in a war footing , sometimes the private can be promoted to  be a General .

And we can consider those early devotees , although materially ambitious, that after all that said and done were acting with ISKCON, ISKCON is Prabhupada, and somehow or another, those early GBC kept the society together . There were  bad times and many got the brunt end of the what externally appeared as foolishness a lot of the  time , but books went out , temples increased and devotees were made , and things gradually crystallised , the Guru reform movement came about ,more work still needed but it gets  better because its Prabhupada’s movement , so some glory goes to those early leaders for sure .

One can consider….

Why did Prabhupada want to form ISKCON .
What are its purposes and how are they bring enacted .

So many many ways .

Providing communities , provinding support on social levels , providing insight and education on all levels , providing think tanks and scholars on all levels , spreading the sankirtana movement on all levels , allowing access to the historic Gaudia Vaisnava culures , providing insights along with other theological scientists  that are teaching objective scientific knowledge along with training and putting a stop to scientific materialism and the  speculations of a Darwinian world, establishing the conclusions of the sampradaya acaryas which culminates in the teachings of Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu of inconceivably oneness and difference, and pointing out the limitations of impersonal philosophy , ISKCON establishes in societal terms the need of pure governance and compliance based on the right type of person doing the right occupation in the right way that is based on the knowledge of mind matter and consciousness and its progression in social and spiritual mobility .
Thank goodness for ISKCON
But ISKCON is always on a journey itself, and always gaining more and more insights into doing things better , ISKCON are the devotees within it and those who are outside of it who support it in many ways .
ISKCON is the personal service of AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, a service that he understood. Srila Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja wanted because his father, Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur, wanted it.
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The three modes of material nature are Krishna’s external energies , He speaks about them  in the Bhagavad Gita, and they are like primary colours . You can connect with them, mix them, and do what you like with them . However be careful, these types of colours have you sucked into the painting of life and like a spiders web is a trap for the fly but not the spider , similarly Krishna weaves his web of illusions made up of these modes of nature only because we want it . Goodness  passion and ignorance are the three modes , of phycological and work . 3×3 =9 9×9=81.81×81=6561, so accordingly, the unlimited types of consciousness in the 8,400000 species are interacting with unlimited mixes and degrees of these modes .
Suddha Satva, though, is the trancendental mode beyond those entangled modes , Krishna says if you want, I can rescue you at any time  from the material modes and place you in your intended place of pure uncontaminated consciousness.

Responsibility in the modes .

Although it indicates in the Vedas whatever your destiny holds by your previous karma, is your due  and so there is no point in working like a dog or ass to achieve more and more ..
These things should be looked at carefully and not fanatically.
A money man’s nature is he is never satisfied and however rich he is he will want more . He also needs legislation  brought upon him because if he had his way, his poor workers would be poorer, and he would exploit everything without care .
The Vedas intends that everyone carries out Dharma or duties properly under the directions of the intelligensia.
We can not say the slums of eighteenth century England and the filth and disease working people lived in were God’s intentions.
When administration works properly, the businessmen thrive well and are happy to pay a fair wage for a fair days work.
Thus …
One who does wrong or suffers wrong is wrong…

Living in a world full of mirrors .

In the world of illusion, truth sounds like untruth and untruth sounds like truth .
The crooked heart can only follow the similarly crooked .
But the crookedness does not have to be permanent.
When Darwin saw bears with the mouths open catching flies and thought how they in the past entered the sea water and gradually transformed into whales with their mouths open catching plankton, he later tried to retract his statement..
So even he was attempting to straighten himself out.

Krishna indicates the modes of nature force the conditioned consciousness to act , so strong are their pull that  only by cultivating and practices of theological sciences and yoga can the living being begin to pull himself out .  God helps those who help themselves.
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” Ontology and epistemology are both branches of philosophy that study different aspects of reality: 

• Ontology
• The study of being, or the nature of existence and what is real. Ontology is concerned with what exists and what is true or real. It covers a wide range of entities, including everyday objects, living beings, and ideas. 
• Epistemology
• The study of knowledge, or how we can know things. Epistemology is concerned with how we can know about the existence of things and how we can separate true ideas from false ideas. It also studies theories of knowledge, such as how knowledge is derived and how reliable it is. “
• The Vedic perspective…..
• The Vedas bring everyone on a journey of knowledge , no matter where they might currently be ,  the journey is an eternal one in one sense . The Vedas offer  appropriate wisdom and systematic learning for children , the youth, and older folks . It also offers a study programme for the doubtful,  an initial sign of intelligence is to be doubtful after all . According to where ones life journey ended from a previous one  , automatically,  again one picks up the mantel of learning and sets off on the journey again .  Specifics of learning obviously vary in many ways , but onwards and upwards is the prescription for all  . Ultimately, if we want to gain knowledge of Divinity along with His sciences, there are  correct and  recognised epistemological processes that are accompanied by  purificatory processes within the different varnas and ashrams . The first thing is to become pure in consciousness by following particular standards alloted according to one’s current situation , they are of many types. Only  by the acceptance of due process will any understanding of the Supreme pure and His  personality be developed and perfected. The original Vedas have been summarised into short codes and aphorisms . The Srimad Bhagavatam is the natural commentary of these codes , called the Vedanta-sutra.
• Within the Srimad Bhagavatam, Jiva Goswami says are the epistemological systems of the Sruti , Smriti , Puranas, and Tantras , so everything complete .This is so because  the Vedas as a complete unit is very difficult to understand in a  comprehensive way . Srila Jiva Goswami says that in this in his  Tattva Sandarbha.

ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi
na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ
sevonmukhe hi jihvādau
svayam  eva sphuraty adaḥ

Translation

“ ‘Therefore material senses cannot appreciate Kṛṣṇa’s holy name, form, qualities and pastimes. When a conditioned soul is awakened to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and renders service by using his tongue to chant the Lord’s holy name and taste the remnants of the Lord’s food, the tongue is purified, and one gradually comes to understand who Kṛṣṇa really is .

Regarding ontological considerations.

Athato brahma jijnasa is a phrase from the Vedanta-sutra that means “Now is the time to inquire about the Absolute Trut

jīvera ‘svarūpa’ haya — kṛṣṇera ‘nitya-dāsa’
kṛṣṇera ‘taṭasthā-śakti’ 

bhedābheda-prakāśa

Translation

“It is the living entity’s constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa because he is the marginal energy of Kṛṣṇa and a manifestation simultaneously one with and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire. Kṛṣṇa has three varieties of energy.

The conclusive understanding of who we are has been  given by Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu , and it is summarised like this , we are inconceivably and simultaneous one and different from God .

This conclusive understanding separates Sankacarya and his oneness from the  philosophy of  Madhva Acarya,  Ramanuja Acarya , Srila Visnu Swami , and Nimbarka Acarya , who respectively taught , purified monism , ( a connection with Divinity) specific monism , ( as a servant of Divinity in varying ways ) pure monism ( indicating a oneness in love ) and one and difference.

Caitanya Mahāprabhu added the inconceivable and simultaneous oneness and difference in His revealing the pranaya , oneness in love , particularly of the Manjaris , technically called Tad tad bhava icha atmika .

Thus the Vedas lack nothing in the matter of epistemology or ontology and their conclusion.

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Srila BR Sridhar Swami tells ..

Adwaita Acarya, who called Mahāprabhu to appear on this planet and save the most fallen,  but on one occasion, Adwaita prabhu remarked to Mahaprabhu that he and Srinivas found some difficulties because we have our higher social position and dignity,  yet Nityananda prabhu is preaching to the ruffians and they are now  currently mixing with us and this is causing some disturbances.

So at that point, Mahaprabhu could not tolerate that  remark , “that you are critical of my intentions,  mission and purposes.

Thus, Mahaprabhu jumped into the Ganges,  Nityananda prabhu pleaded with Mahaprabhu and saved Mahaprabhu . Mahaprabhu then told Nityananda to tell Adwaita Acarya that He  jumped into the Ganges and has not been seen since . Mahaprabhu stayed at a devotees’ house in hiding for three days .

Adwaita Acarya prabhu felt great pain and anxiety, and  eventually, Mahaprabhu knocked on his door .

And told”  the King can issue punishment to the chief minister,” so Adwaita Acarya was Mahaprabhu’s chief minister in the sense that Adwaita prabhu called Mahaprabhu to save the most fallen , but made an “error ” by criticizing Nityananda prabhu for doing just that .

ISKCON was formed in the mood of Nityananda prabhu and Srila AC Bhavtivedanta Swami gave Krishna consciousness to one and all , we should be careful to keep that mood , or Mahāprabhu may not be happy .

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The perfect picture of Vedic culture

“All occupational engagements, or dharmas, are certainly meant for ultimate liberation. They should never be performed for material gain. Furthermore, one who is engaged in the ultimate occupational service, or dharma, should never use material gain to cultivate sense gratification.”

This particular verse highlights the greatest of cultures , far from Western materialism , it points to the significance of every person and gives value to them , the Greatness of God is that He assigns absolute importance to every living being . In the above verse, the method of how everyone can live their lives in positive therapeutic ways and benefit themselves is given . Living life to the full in rich and rewarding ways , with inner nourishment , satisfied minds, as well as the  senses being  satisfied in balanced ways ,

Material satisfaction of the sences is required by all living beings , and humans are no different ,  but the human is meant for something far greater . The Vedic Culture was designed in such a way to give  educational experiences for everyone that  were linked to every aspect of  life , opening up an untapped inner resource for enrichment of consciousness and peace of mind . All varieties and aspects of educational cultures , the arts, various sciences , math , social sciences etc etc . were ,  at every  stage of life , united with the progressive and ongoing experience of sharing , living, loving  and it  was  centred  around somehow or another connecting persons to help them  experience  the source of all living and loving , who is known at Rasaraja, Krishna.

Like an artists pallet, society is of mixed colours , but a process of bringing pure systematic knowledge in  progressive ways as well as painting the perfect picture of a harmonious  society was the responsibility of the qualified intelligensia . Those who were Proffesors in the science of self realisation and who knew well the therapeutic methods of linking material sciences to spiritual ones for the benefits of one and all.

This means having  knowledge of what’s good and what’s harmful. In Vedic terms, Vidya and Avidya . Knowledge means this .

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Can we see the true picture of reality ?
Actually, if you see through the eyes of someone who knows the topics in hand you’re going to bring their knowledge within yourself .
For example, a civil engineer goes to university to understand how a bridge is built ..ie .learning about  the stresses and strains of  structures  and choosing carefully materials to suit , the foundations that are required according to the weight of the bridge , etc etc …

Accordingly,  when a civil engineer sees any bridge, he sees it with full knowledge.
Because he accepted without reservation his teachers  , in that way his experiences and learning and the way he views everything to do with bridges originates  from someone who is in full  knowledge of that type of work .
Philosophically and intelligently  and taking that logic further , it’s a question of finding someone with perfect knowledge if we  want to understand mind , matter, and  consciousness.
In Bhagavad Gita , Lord Krishna speaks of the symptoms of one in perfect knowledge , their world and spiritual view , for instance, to see with realisations  the true equality of every being , as well as see the differences in qualities of consciousness of the  liberated or conditioned sate .
We can not  possibly say no one is in perfect knowledge, just because we are not . Those who have not accepted the perfect teacher are misled by the speculative who pose as teachers .

Subjective objective …..

In answer to someone …

Yes …the subjective can also  be a pure state of consciousness when one realises the super subjective realms of spiritual consciousness . If not, it’s a world of doubtful speculations and mental torment..
Thus, the perfection of yoga means to see , realise, and experience a true picture…of life and consciousness.
On such a journey to knowledge , there is at first suspicions, then doubts , then gradually acceptance …and faith utalising the intelligence and having the sence to understand Divinity is  in everything of our world and objectively seeing that through perfect math and  design symptomised by the codes and information in everything that lives.

Chimp or chump …….or octupus ..
The Darwinians are tied up in evolutionary knots and speculations ..

common ancestor ?   yes ….well same engineer, different engineering.
And … yes, the many come from one .
Thus, 60% of dna .. you share with bananas.
Mind you , we could joke with the Darwinians , the octopus are very smart … apes relatively dumb ..
Man is pretty smart …
The brain is the essential element of the superior man , who ” won the race of evolution ”
Everyone likes  swimming…..
So perhaps you have lost four of your limbs in your survival of the fittest,  perhaps during the random mutational process and the selection process, it carries out spontaneously , your two brains merged into one …
So it’s the octopus…perhaps and not the chimp, who is the best bet to be the  favourite common ancestor..

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The fact is three parents have been involved in the artificially produced child , even if 99.9 % of the genetic materials come from two parents. That needs to be verified. Why do we want to blindly accept the working of a science lab.

DNA  , the brains makeup, and the consciousness of a child ..

See .

“Mitochondria and DNA are distinct components within a cell. Mitochondria are organelles responsible for energy production, while DNA is the genetic material containing instructions for cellular functions. DNA is primarily found in the nucleus (nuclear DNA), but mitochondria also contain a small amount of their own DNA “

“Yes, DNA significantly influences mental states and susceptibility to mental health conditions. DNA provides the blueprint for brain development and function, and variations in genes can impact how the brain processes information, leading to differences in behaviour, emotions, and cognitive abilities. While genes play a crucial role, it’s important to remember that mental health is also shaped by environmental factors and life experiences. “

Those Darwinians and most scientific community members are,  follow scientific materialism as fact based science.

But the world of dualism is a fact , and the Vedas indicates the subtle energies of two parents influence the subtle energies of the child. The scientific community who have no knowledge of mind , matter, and consciousness has just introduced three parents,  with unknown implications on the child and its mental influences

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https://inference-review.com/article/two-experiments-in-abiogenesis

More details of how abiogenesis is not a reality .

The primordial soup remains in the speculative sludge of a Darwinians mind .

Of the wish of a little warm pond that Darwin wrote home about..

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