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There are many examples throughout the Bhagavatam of fair play , understanding and negotiations.

Lord Indra, for example ,  became disturbed because King Priyavrata was about to complete a hundred consecutive sacrifices , giving him special powers.

(Indra was the only person who had previously completed such a task . )

But , BECAUSE he was the king of heaven and had naturally a large ego to go with his  prestigious position , so ,  Lord Bramha , on behalf of Krishna , negotiated with King Priyavrata , and it was settled that  King  Priyavrata would not complete the task and settled up for only  99 sacrifices .

Krishna wanted lord Indra to keep his pride and distinction in  his  place , which is important to leadership roles . So sometimes, in daily dealings the implementation of morals , ethics, and good behaviour are  implemented carefully and gradually and  not do not  always occur the way we would necessarily like events to unfold  , so patience is required . Certain  domestic and political sensitivities must come into play ,  some persons are not ready to immediately hear perfect good sense .  The material energies are as such , that  time and patience must  be adopted towards some  persons , and karmic situations worldwide are often beyond bewildering , nevertheless Divinity remains in full control , and the Srimad Bhagavatam can reveal to us the mysteries of Divinity and the free will and determinism of universal affairs.

The Bhagavatam has some absolutes and an awful lot of negotiations , compromise, and settlements. If one cares to study the Srimad Bhagavatam , one may be surprised by the above statement.  But Krishna is a very practical person ,  having given free will to His expansions .

This is the explanation that’s given in the Vedas , the Darwinian foolishly thinks matter first consciousness later , we can say consciousness in its conditioned state requires matter both gross and subtle to live out its surreal illusory existence , as much as today with technological innovation , the public can place helmets over their heads and have an experience of existing in another world .

One can read the third canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam , the fundamental principles of material nature are explained in considerable detail with definite parallels to quantum mechanics,  with minds desires affecting the movements of matter.

Einstein space time continuum..
could be said to fit the vedic model and perhaps could be incorporated into a subtle explanation of dark matter , there are suggestions in scientific papers that dark matter ,is a subtle form of matter , the lower , middle and upper plenary systems described in the Vedas are made of such finer materials , they  operate differently in terms of natures laws of gravity and time . It is acceptable , by Vedic science , the karmic synchronicities of a future existence of a particular jiva that is already beginning to form within  , the subtleties of an individuals mind  , are operating within dark matter . Third, Bhagavatam Canto suggests this kind of science .

One can argue that the expanding universe is caused by consciousness ..and time ..

See this explanation from a Vedic thinker ..

. Dark/Subtle Matter is Composed of High Energy Particles

Dark matter particles include supersymmetric objects and particles. According to scientists, these are higher mass-higher energy particles that have not been detected by our current low energy particle accelerators because of their high energies.

Subtle matter (in traditional metaphysical theories) is considered to be made up of highly energetic particles which generally becomes visible (as objects) after some training in meditation or similar exercises. In Hindu metaphysics, we find references to not only the “anu” (i.e. standard physical particles) but “param-anu” (which are super-physical particles). Valerie Hunt, Professor Emeritus at UCLA and internationally recognized authority in the area of energy field medicine, says that “even ancient Hindu literature asserts that the energy body possesses a higher vibration [or frequency] than normal matter-energy.” Modern ‘seers’ were unanimous in their opinion that subtle bodies consist of “as yet undiscovered higher frequency matter and energy” and have mass – long before any widespread awareness of dark matter or supersymmetry theories.

Expansions and contractions of universal affairs have been going on since time immemorial.  The expansion of the universe is caused by time and consciousness , a consciousness under the control of time that’s under the control of a time giver and a facilitator…

Exactly why it’s a problem to encourage Liberal sex , and the implications of doing so , would never enter into the dull less intelligent buisness classes with such limited brain capacity , but should they care to begin to understand , the first part of understanding will be to separate the body from the mind , intelligence and the inner consciousness. The specualtive Darwinian fails to grasp this simple self-evident truth about the fundermentals of life, but such is the power of the illusory energy of Krishna , which Krishna alludes to in His teachings in the Bhagavad Gita.

In the Srimad Bhagavatam 7th Canto , the life story of Pralada Maharaja clearly illustrates the points above .

The business classes , who unfortunately have practically all the powers to run our world , but who have no foresight are the real reasons for all the problems in our world, they cant help themselves, its their nature to turn a profit at Any cost .The downfall and foolishness of modern democracy are clear , and the above statement is the reason. The business class dont have the intelligence to see the consequences of their actions or policies , the political classes , the real administration classes have been infiltrated and are overly influenced by the buisness class , thus the real administrative classes are missing in action. The solution to the problems, for instance, of sexulisation of the internet , which the business classes and their political puppets allow , because they make heaps of cash , they ignore the obvious suffering it causes to victims and perpetrators . What is obvious to highly cultured and decent persons and practically so obvious to the overwhelming majority of persons , is STOP IT ….. yet , it is still allowed to continue….is that democratic ? ….Unless the Vipras , Brahminical men , and the Suddha bhaktas can have their say , and their words of foresight and wisdom are heard and acted upon …Demon crazy…democracy will continue to take society in ever increasing downward spirals .

Some people have romantic idealistic concepts that society can live as one .

In spiritual terms, maybe , when by cultivating spiritual consciousness, one is able to see that consciousness particals are in each body , the very substance of life .

But materially speaking , individuals have always expressed differently and lived differently, both individually and collectively, as well as in  communial  ways and also  unique national cultural ways ..

In the vedas 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam,  the activities of King Prtu give the  description of the natural creation of  boundaries, such as oceans , rivers, and mountain ranges , so although harmony can be acheived in mankind it must be understood as being based on differences , which have sometimes complex social and karmic reasons , all societies should be respected and understood in mature ways .

The concept of  harmony in discord is only realised in the minds of those who are learned with the  consciousness of Divinity within their hearts , and  who have evolved love for Divinity as well as all beings , seeing  that everything is  connected to God , knowing they are all His expansions , such Divine inspiration creates the inconceivable oneness and difference vision in  our relationship with Him and all beings .

The vipras , Brahminical men, and Suddha Bhaktas know this very well  and realise it . By their association , we can also know and realise this truth .

It is never found in any  political leaders , who we could probably safely say are mostly lacking in real wisdom, and are sometimes  fools and rascals , so they must always  take direction from the real intelligensia as described above .

The perfect political systems that are incorporated within the Vedas are perfectly adaptable to just about anyone.

Whatever outlook one may have , everyone can find a progressive and beneficial path and a material and spiritual progressive path .

Social sciences and political sciences are discussed in detail, so there is no need for a new fangled approach that’s entirely based on gratification of the senses without foresight.

Rather , consequences of particular actions must be taken into account , on both a material and spiritual level , there is no room for a ” bull in a China shop” approach .

Unintelligent leaders have no foresight , they are like lemmings running off a cliff , so its advised to learn from the Vedas , just who is learned and what qualities they display.

Insight and wisdom come to those who sincerely want truth and guidance.

Democracy criticism is worth looking into … Fools voting in fools is no solution to the world’s problems.

Currently, I would suggest the USA and Europe are doing badly , shooting themselves in the foot , under no circumstances should they give a go-ahead for a carte blanch destruction of citizens in Gaza , giving the example of Winston Churchill , who indiscriminately bombed Dresden as a justification for war practice.

There are other ways to ensure security for countries , like sensible negotiations with unbiased intelligent persons who should be at the forefront , not political leaders , persons who have insights into ethics, morals as well as having deep compassion and knowledge of laws of all kinds should be employed. Extremism should not be met by extremism….the results are short-term ….Real solutions are in the hands of the wise . In vedic culture, three types of intellectual persons are brought to procedures . The Vipras , the brahmanas, and the Suddha bhaktas. Solutions are never able to be found by a lower political class , who think themselves leaders or superior to the three classes aforementioned.

What does Krishna say regarding the qualifications of leadership and those fit to guide ?

The Blessed Lord said: Fearlessness, purification of one’s existence, cultivation of spiritual knowledge, charity, self-control, performance of sacrifice, study of the Vedas, austerity and simplicity; nonviolence, truthfulness, freedom from anger; renunciation, tranquility, aversion to faultfinding, compassion and freedom from covetousness; gentleness, modesty and steady determination; vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, freedom from envy and the passion for honor-these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.

The founder Acarya of ISKCON AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,  towards the end of his life on this plane , said as he was translating the tenth Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam…..” Everything is happening by the Supreme desire of Krishna , this consciousness is Krishna consciousness “

So everything we are conscious of , everything our consciousness desires , everything our consciousness needs , is ultimately being provided for . The whole material manifestation is a result of the consciousness of the Supreme Personality of Godhead , its He who is fulfilling our desire as well as understanding our desires , He is situated outside and inside of everyone….in Bhagavad Gita He makes this clear .

So the entire material manifestation is like a huge universal machine that plugs in our individual consciousness to matter under the supervision of Divinity.

It’s a responsive universe , first consciousness, then matter , not at all like the Darwinian speculation… that matter becomes consciousness , after all, any scientific thinker will honestly tell us …..molecules don’t move towards life .

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Former BVP swami, as many other devotees , misunderstand the position of women in vedic culture,….. a perverse understanding developed by smarta Brahminical men over many generations has been carried on for many more generations, i.e.,
that women are a play thing for men , ( Former BVP swami so called learning in vedic culture had the same perverse influences)…and he practically taught and encouraged others to follow this perversity……..despite the Bhagavatam repeatedly saying that conditioned men are the play thing for women , who easily allure conditioned men ….4th canto king Purajana.and Narada muni explanations to the allegorical story.

The above influences apply to those in lower modes , those developing goodness are able to begin to transcend those influences.

And the Suddha bhaktas have only Radha Krishna nityalila in their minds .

The superior and exemplary teachings of the vedas…..and those with pure cultured teachings are …. women should be protected and seen as mothers or daughters .
And higher class women protect men and establish pure culture by dressing appropriately and remaing reserved and chaste in the company of men ….

That behaviour is still prevalent in many cultures…..despite so-called libertarians trying to change it .

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On Origin of Life, Chemist James Tour Has Successfully Called These Researchers’ Bluff
Brian Miller
October 31, 2023, 1:57 PM


Image source: James Tour via YouTube.
David Klinghoffer and Tova Forman previously wrote about Rice University chemist James Tour’s 60-day challenge to leading origin-of-life researchers to demonstrate that the field had substantively advanced in the past seventy years (here, here). Tour offered to remove all his videos on the topic if three leading experts agreed that any of five fundamental problems had been solved:

Linking of amino acids into chains (aka polypeptides)
Linking of nucleotides into RNA molecules
Linking of simple sugars (aka monosaccharides) into chains known as polysaccharides
Origin of biological information
Assembly of components into a cell
Tour issued this challenge in response to the many false claims made by YouTubers, such as Dave Farina, about how these hurdles to life’s origin had been fully addressed. The deadline has expired, and no one has presented solutions to any of the problems.


The Rules
For the first three problems, Tour allowed origin-of-life researchers to assume a chemical mixture started with amino acids, nucleotides, or sugars with the same handedness (aka enantiomerically pure). For instance, all the amino acids were left-handed as required in modern proteins. For the first problem, participants needed to detail how chains of just two amino acids — aspartic acid and lysine — could have formed with the correct bonds. For the second problem, proposed solutions needed to describe how nucleotides could have linked into chains with less than 2 percent of the wrong linkages. And for the third, proposals needed to explain how molecules of the simple sugar glucose could have properly joined in high yields.

For the fourth problem, researchers could assume that the first three challenges had been solved. They only needed to explain how amino acids, nucleotides, or simple sugars could have linked together in the correct order to contain the required functional information to perform some biologically relevant task. For the fifth problem, researchers could assume that all cellular components were available in abundance. They only needed to explain how the biological building blocks could have assembled into a functional cell. Proposed solutions for all the problems had to rely only on chemistry that could have occurred on the early Earth.

The Implications of Failure
The failure of any origin-of-life expert to propose a solution to even one of the five problems has dire implications for the field. Tour allowed origins researchers to assume unrealistically favorable starting conditions. The hurdles are collosal for life’s constituent molecules to form in sufficiently high concentrations and purities to allow for even the slightest possibility of their linking into proteins, RNA, or complex polysaccharides (here, here). In addition, any cellular component that formed on the early Earth would have decomposed long before finding its way to the staging ground for an aspiring cell. Consequently, even if every problem were fully solved, life’s genesis would still face the insurmountable hurdle of transporting the components of life to the same microscopic environment.

YouTubers and other defenders of the secular faith of scientific materialism have confidently asserted that scientists are steadily unraveling the mystery of life’s origin. Yet Tour called on leading experts to demonstrate whether they had achieved any real progress in answering any of the most fundamental questions. None could rise to the challenge.

At some point, both the scientific community and the public will need to recognize that the lack of progress cannot be explained by a lack of serious effort by highly competent scientists but by the philosophical assumptions blinding them from seeing the truth staring them in the face. The answer to life’s origin does not reside in the fields of physics and chemistry but in the mind behind our universe.

BRIAN MILLER
RESEARCH COORDINATOR, CENTER FOR SCIENCE AND CULTURE
Dr. Brian Miller is Research Coordinator for the Center for Science and Culture at Discovery Institute. He holds a B.S. in physics with a minor in engineering from MIT and a Ph.D. in physics from Duke University. He speaks internationally on the topics of intelligent design and the impact of worldviews on society. He also has consulted on organizational development and strategic planning, and he is a technical consultant for Ideashares, a virtual incubator dedicated to bringing innovation to the marketplace.
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