The founder Acarya of ISKCON AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,  towards the end of his life on this plane , said as he was translating the tenth Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam…..” Everything is happening by the Supreme desire of Krishna , this consciousness is Krishna consciousness “

So everything we are conscious of , everything our consciousness desires , everything our consciousness needs , is ultimately being provided for . The whole material manifestation is a result of the consciousness of the Supreme Personality of Godhead , its He who is fulfilling our desire as well as understanding our desires , He is situated outside and inside of everyone….in Bhagavad Gita He makes this clear .

So the entire material manifestation is like a huge universal machine that plugs in our individual consciousness to matter under the supervision of Divinity.

It’s a responsive universe , first consciousness, then matter , not at all like the Darwinian speculation… that matter becomes consciousness , after all, any scientific thinker will honestly tell us …..molecules don’t move towards life .

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Former BVP swami, as many other devotees , misunderstand the position of women in vedic culture,….. a perverse understanding developed by smarta Brahminical men over many generations has been carried on for many more generations, i.e.,
that women are a play thing for men , ( Former BVP swami so called learning in vedic culture had the same perverse influences)…and he practically taught and encouraged others to follow this perversity……..despite the Bhagavatam repeatedly saying that conditioned men are the play thing for women , who easily allure conditioned men ….4th canto king Purajana.and Narada muni explanations to the allegorical story.

The above influences apply to those in lower modes , those developing goodness are able to begin to transcend those influences.

And the Suddha bhaktas have only Radha Krishna nityalila in their minds .

The superior and exemplary teachings of the vedas…..and those with pure cultured teachings are …. women should be protected and seen as mothers or daughters .
And higher class women protect men and establish pure culture by dressing appropriately and remaing reserved and chaste in the company of men ….

That behaviour is still prevalent in many cultures…..despite so-called libertarians trying to change it .

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On Origin of Life, Chemist James Tour Has Successfully Called These Researchers’ Bluff
Brian Miller
October 31, 2023, 1:57 PM


Image source: James Tour via YouTube.
David Klinghoffer and Tova Forman previously wrote about Rice University chemist James Tour’s 60-day challenge to leading origin-of-life researchers to demonstrate that the field had substantively advanced in the past seventy years (here, here). Tour offered to remove all his videos on the topic if three leading experts agreed that any of five fundamental problems had been solved:

Linking of amino acids into chains (aka polypeptides)
Linking of nucleotides into RNA molecules
Linking of simple sugars (aka monosaccharides) into chains known as polysaccharides
Origin of biological information
Assembly of components into a cell
Tour issued this challenge in response to the many false claims made by YouTubers, such as Dave Farina, about how these hurdles to life’s origin had been fully addressed. The deadline has expired, and no one has presented solutions to any of the problems.


The Rules
For the first three problems, Tour allowed origin-of-life researchers to assume a chemical mixture started with amino acids, nucleotides, or sugars with the same handedness (aka enantiomerically pure). For instance, all the amino acids were left-handed as required in modern proteins. For the first problem, participants needed to detail how chains of just two amino acids — aspartic acid and lysine — could have formed with the correct bonds. For the second problem, proposed solutions needed to describe how nucleotides could have linked into chains with less than 2 percent of the wrong linkages. And for the third, proposals needed to explain how molecules of the simple sugar glucose could have properly joined in high yields.

For the fourth problem, researchers could assume that the first three challenges had been solved. They only needed to explain how amino acids, nucleotides, or simple sugars could have linked together in the correct order to contain the required functional information to perform some biologically relevant task. For the fifth problem, researchers could assume that all cellular components were available in abundance. They only needed to explain how the biological building blocks could have assembled into a functional cell. Proposed solutions for all the problems had to rely only on chemistry that could have occurred on the early Earth.

The Implications of Failure
The failure of any origin-of-life expert to propose a solution to even one of the five problems has dire implications for the field. Tour allowed origins researchers to assume unrealistically favorable starting conditions. The hurdles are collosal for life’s constituent molecules to form in sufficiently high concentrations and purities to allow for even the slightest possibility of their linking into proteins, RNA, or complex polysaccharides (here, here). In addition, any cellular component that formed on the early Earth would have decomposed long before finding its way to the staging ground for an aspiring cell. Consequently, even if every problem were fully solved, life’s genesis would still face the insurmountable hurdle of transporting the components of life to the same microscopic environment.

YouTubers and other defenders of the secular faith of scientific materialism have confidently asserted that scientists are steadily unraveling the mystery of life’s origin. Yet Tour called on leading experts to demonstrate whether they had achieved any real progress in answering any of the most fundamental questions. None could rise to the challenge.

At some point, both the scientific community and the public will need to recognize that the lack of progress cannot be explained by a lack of serious effort by highly competent scientists but by the philosophical assumptions blinding them from seeing the truth staring them in the face. The answer to life’s origin does not reside in the fields of physics and chemistry but in the mind behind our universe.

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“The universe’s puzzlingly fast expansion may defy explanation, cosmologists fret

The controversial “Hubble tension” promises deep insight but, like dark matter and dark energy, could remain just another mystery…”

The Srimad Bhagavatam 3rd Canto, entitled the fundermental principles of material nature, gives indication of transformation of the energies of Visnu by his devolving and delegation of powers to the Demigods .The Vedic term , Adi atmika , Adi devika. Adi bautika ,

This means the living being , controlled by the universal forms of Divinity within the universal powers of Divinity.

Such is the  super subjective realm of Divinities intelligence, which has its reach across the multidimensional universes and throughout the whole of the expanse of time . The third Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam has Him within every atom and yet also  He emanates countless universes,  that come and go like bubbles on an ocean.

Within the material universes the Lord has a personalised automated administrative system,  following the desires and activities of an individual,   the many possibilities in the world of quantum world springs to mind , similarly conscious desires and the following consequences  of the actions of uncountable living beings cause a universe to expand and contract.

First comes consciousness , matter is a result of the independent desires from Divinity , and is given and manifested from Him , karmic synchronicity is at play, along with an inconceivable responsive universe,  recently A.I. is giving a hint of this phenomenal administrative powers of Divinity.

The recommendations of the Vedas are to link in and check out

Don’t become too intoxicated by your time alloted….its fast disappearing ..

But in other plenary systems , your one day makes a celestial year …

Space time continuum is acceptable in Vedic science.

In the sense that what you did ,what you do now , and what you will do, interconnect .

But there is a way out of all entanglements of time and actions.

One who sees action in inaction and inaction in action actually sees

Says Lord Kṛṣṇa in Bhagavad Gita

CHAPTER ELEVEN

Calculation of Time, from the Atom

Text 1: The material manifestation’s ultimate particle, which is indivisible and not formed into a body, is called the atom. It exists always as an invisible identity, even after the dissolution of all forms. The material body is but a combination of such atoms, but it is misunderstood by the common man.Text 2: Atoms are the ultimate state of the manifest universe. When they stay in their own forms without forming different bodies, they are called the unlimited oneness. There are certainly different bodies in physical forms, but the atoms themselves form the complete manifestation.Text 3: One can estimate time by measuring the movement of the atomic combination of bodies. Time is the potency of the almighty Personality of Godhead, Hari, who controls all physical movement although He is not visible in the physical world.Text 4: Atomic time is measured according to its covering a particular atomic space. That time which covers the unmanifest aggregate of atoms is called the great time.Text 5: The division of gross time is calculated as follows: two atoms make one double atom, and three double atoms make one hexatom. This hexatom is visible in the sunshine which enters through the holes of a window screen. One can clearly see that the hexatom goes up towards the sky.Text 6: The time duration needed for the integration of three trasareṇus is called a truṭi, and one hundred truṭis make one vedha. Three vedhas make one lava.Text 7: The duration of time of three lavas is equal to one nimeṣa, the combination of three nimeṣas makes one kṣaṇa, five kṣaṇas combined together make one kāṣṭhā, and fifteen kāṣṭhās make one laghu.Text 8: Fifteen laghus make one nāḍikā, which is also called a daṇḍa. Two daṇḍas make one muhūrta, and six or seven daṇḍas make one fourth of a day or night, according to human calculation.Text 9: The measuring pot for one nāḍikā, or daṇḍa, can be prepared with a six-pala-weight [fourteen ounce] pot of copper, in which a hole is bored with a gold probe weighing four māṣa and measuring four fingers long. When the pot is placed on water, the time before the water overflows in the pot is called one daṇḍa.Text 10: It is calculated that there are four praharas, which are also called yāmas, in the day and four in the night of the human being. Similarly, fifteen days and nights are a fortnight, and there are two fortnights, white and black, in a month.Text 11: The aggregate of two fortnights is one month, and that period is one complete day and night for the Pitā planets. Two of such months comprise one season, and six months comprise one complete movement of the sun from south to north.Text 12: Two solar movements make one day and night of the demigods, and that combination of day and night is one complete calendar year for the human being. The human being has a duration of life of one hundred years.Text 13: Influential stars, planets, luminaries and atoms all over the universe are rotating in their respective orbits under the direction of the Supreme, represented by eternal kāla.Text 14: There are five different names for the orbits of the sun, moon, stars and luminaries in the firmament, and they each have their own saṁvatsara.Text 15: O Vidura, the sun enlivens all living entities with his unlimited heat and light. He diminishes the duration of life of all living entities in order to release them from their illusion of material attachment, and he enlarges the path of elevation to the heavenly kingdom. He thus moves in the firmament with great velocity, and therefore everyone should offer him respects once every five years with all ingredients of worship.Text 16: Vidura said: I now understand the life durations of the residents of the Pitā planets and heavenly planets as well as that of the human beings. Now kindly inform me of the durations of life of those greatly learned living entities who are beyond the range of a kalpa.Text 17: O spiritually powerful one, you can understand the movements of eternal time, which is the controlling form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because you are a self-realized person, you can see everything by the power of mystic vision.Text 18: Maitreya said: O Vidura, the four millenniums are called the Satya-, Tretā-, Dvāpara- and Kali-yuga. The aggregate number of years of all of these combined is equal to twelve thousand years of the demigods.Text 19: The duration of the Satya millennium equals 4,800 years of the years of the demigods; the duration of the Tretā millennium equals 3,600 years of the demigods; the duration of the Dvāpara millennium equals 2,400 years; and that of the Kali millennium is 1,200 years of the demigods.Text 20: The transitional periods before and after every millennium, which are a few hundred years as aforementioned, are known as yuga-sandhyās, or the conjunctions of two millenniums, according to the expert astronomers. In those periods all kinds of religious activities are performed.Text 21: O Vidura, in the Satya millennium mankind properly and completely maintained the principles of religion, but in other millenniums religion gradually decreased by one part as irreligion was proportionately admitted.Text 22: Outside of the three planetary systems [Svarga, Martya and Pātāla], the four yugas multiplied by one thousand comprise one day on the planet of Brahmā. A similar period comprises a night of Brahmā, in which the creator of the universe goes to sleep.Text 23: After the end of Brahmā’s night, the creation of the three worlds begins again in the daytime of Brahmā, and they continue to exist through the life durations of fourteen consecutive Manus, or fathers of mankind.Text 24: Each and every Manu enjoys a life of a little more than seventy-one sets of four millenniums.Text 25: After the dissolution of each and every Manu, the next Manu comes in order, along with his descendants, who rule over the different planets; but the seven famous sages, and demigods like Indra and their followers, such as the Gandharvas, all appear simultaneously with Manu.Text 26: In the creation, during Brahmā’s day, the three planetary systems — Svarga, Martya and Pātāla — revolve, and the inhabitants, including the lower animals, human beings, demigods and Pitās, appear and disappear in terms of their fruitive activities.Text 27: In each and every change of Manu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead appears by manifesting His internal potency in different incarnations, as Manu and others. Thus He maintains the universe by discovered power.Text 28: At the end of the day, under the insignificant portion of the mode of darkness, the powerful manifestation of the universe merges in the darkness of night. By the influence of eternal time, the innumerable living entities remain merged in that dissolution, and everything is silent.Text 29: When the night of Brahmā ensues, all the three worlds are out of sight, and the sun and the moon are without glare, just as in the due course of an ordinary night.Text 30: The devastation takes place due to the fire emanating from the mouth of Saṅkarṣaṇa, and thus great sages like Bhṛgu and other inhabitants of Maharloka transport themselves to Janaloka, being distressed by the warmth of the blazing fire which rages through the three worlds below.Text 31: At the beginning of the devastation all the seas overflow, and hurricane winds blow very violently. Thus the waves of the seas become ferocious, and in no time at all the three worlds are full of water.Text 32: The Supreme Lord, the Personality of Godhead, lies down in the water on the seat of Ananta, with His eyes closed, and the inhabitants of the Janaloka planets offer unto the Lord their glorious prayers with folded hands.Text 33: Thus the process of the exhaustion of the duration of life exists for every one of the living beings, including Lord Brahmā. One’s life endures for only one hundred years, in terms of the times in the different planets.Text 34: The one hundred years of Brahmā’s life are divided into two parts, the first half and the second half. The first half of the duration of Brahmā’s life is already over, and the second half is now current.Text 35: In the beginning of the first half of Brahmā’s life, there was a millennium called Brāhma-kalpa, wherein Lord Brahmā appeared. The birth of the Vedas was simultaneous with Brahmā’s birth.Text 36: The millennium which followed the first Brāhma millennium is known as the Pādma-kalpa because in that millennium the universal lotus flower grew out of the navel reservoir of water of the Personality of Godhead, Hari.Text 37: O descendant of Bharata, the first millennium in the second half of the life of Brahmā is also known as the Vārāha millennium because the Personality of Godhead appeared in that millennium as the hog incarnation.Text 38: The duration of the two parts of Brahmā’s life, as above mentioned, is calculated to be equal to one nimeṣa [less than a second] for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is unchanging and unlimited and is the cause of all causes of the universe.Text 39: Eternal time is certainly the controller of different dimensions, from that of the atom up to the superdivisions of the duration of Brahmā’s life; but, nevertheless, it is controlled by the Supreme. Time can control only those who are body conscious, even up to the Satyaloka or the other higher planets of the universe.Text 40: This phenomenal material world is expanded to a diameter of four billion miles, as a combination of eight material elements transformed into sixteen further categories, within and without, as follows.Text 41: The layers or elements covering the universes are each ten times thicker than the one before, and all the universes clustered together appear like atoms in a huge combination.Text 42: The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, is therefore said to be the original cause of all causes. Thus the spiritual abode of Viṣṇu is eternal without a doubt, and it is also the abode of Mahā-Viṣṇu, the origin of all manifestations.

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CHAPTER EIGHT

Questions by King Parīkṣit

 The King said: I wish to text 7: O learned brāhmaṇa, the transcendental spirit soul is different from the material body. Does he acquire the body accidentally or by some cause? Will you kindly explain this, for it is known to you.Text 8: If the Supreme Personality of Godhead, from whose abdomen the lotus stem sprouted, is possessed of a gigantic body according to His own caliber and measurement, then what is the specific difference between the body of the Lord and those of common living entities?Text 9: Brahmā, who was not born of a material source but of the lotus flower coming out of the navel abdomen of the Lord, is the creator of all those who are materially born. Of course, by the grace of the Lord, Brahmā was able to see the form of the Lord.Text 10: Please also explain the Personality of Godhead, who lies in every heart as the Supersoul, and as the Lord of all energies, but is untouched by His external energy.Text 11: O learned brāhmaṇa, it was formerly explained that all the planets of the universe with their respective governors are situated in the different parts of the gigantic body of the virāṭ-puruṣa. I have also heard that the different planetary systems are supposed to be in the gigantic body of the virāṭ-puruṣa. But what is their actual position? Will you please explain that?Text 12: Also please explain the duration of time between creation and annihilation, and that of other subsidiary creations, as well as the nature of time, indicated by the sound of past, present and future. Also, please explain the duration and measurement of life of the different living beings known as the demigods, the human beings, etc., in different planets of the universe.Text 13: O purest of the brāhmaṇas, please also explain the cause of the different durations of time, both short and long, as well as the beginning of time, following the course of action.Text 14: Then again, kindly describe how the proportionate accumulation of the reactions resulting from the different modes of material nature act upon the desiring living being, promoting or degrading him among the different species of life, beginning from the demigods down to the most insignificant creatures.Text 15: O best of the brāhmaṇas, please also describe how the creation of the globes throughout the universe, the four directions of the heavens, the sky, the planets, the stars, the mountains, the rivers, the seas and the islands, as well as their different kinds of inhabitants, takes place.Text 16: Also, please describe the inner and outer space of the universe by specific divisions, as well as the character and activities of the great souls, and also the characteristics of the different classifications of the castes and orders of social life.Text 17: Please explain all the different ages in the duration of the creation, and also the duration of such ages. Also tell me about the different activities of the different incarnations of the Lord in different ages.Text 18: Please also explain what may generally be the common religious affiliations of human society, as well as their specific occupational duties in religion, the classification of the social orders as well as the administrative royal orders, and the religious principles for one who may be in distress.Text 19: Kindly explain all about the elementary principles of creation, the number of such elementary principles, their causes, and their development, and also the process of devotional service and the method of mystic powers.Text 20: What are the opulences of the great mystics, and what is their ultimate realization? How does the perfect mystic become detached from the subtle astral body? What is the basic knowledge of the Vedic literatures, including the branches of history and the supplementary Purāṇas?Text 21: Please explain unto me how the living beings are generated, how they are maintained, and how they are annihilated. Tell me also of the advantages and disadvantages of discharging devotional service unto the Lord. What are the Vedic rituals and injunctions of the supplementary Vedic rites, and what are the procedures of religion, economic development and sense satisfaction?Text 22: Please also explain how, merged in the body of the Lord, living beings are created, and how the infidels appear in the world. Also please explain how the unconditioned living entities exist.Text 23: The independent Personality of Godhead enjoys His pastimes by His internal potency and at the time of annihilation gives them up to the external potency, and He remains a witness to it all.Text 24: O great sage, representative of the Lord, kindly satisfy my inquisitiveness in all that I have inquired from you and all that I may not have inquired from you from the very beginning of my questionings. Since I am a soul surrendered unto you, please impart full knowledge in this connection.Text 25: O great sage, you are as good as Brahmā, the original living being. Others follow custom only, as followed by the previous philosophical speculators.Text 26: O learned brāhmaṇa, because of my drinking the nectar of the message of the infallible Personality of Godhead, which is flowing down from the ocean of your speeches, I do not feel any sort of exhaustion due to my fasting.Text 27: Sūta Gosvāmī said: Thus Śukadeva Gosvāmī, being invited by Mahārāja Parīkṣit to speak on topics of the Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa with the devotees, was very much pleased.Text 28: He began to reply to the inquiries of Mahārāja Parīkṣit by saying that the science of the Personality of Godhead was spoken first by the Lord Himself to Brahmā when he was first born. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the supplementary Vedic literature, and it is just in pursuance of the Vedas.Text 29: He also prepared himself to reply to all that King Parīkṣit had inquired from him. Mahārāja Parīkṣit was the best in the dynasty of the Pāṇḍus, and thus he was able to ask the right questions from the right person.

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“ ‘I am not a brāhmaṇa, I am not a kṣatriya, I am not a vaiśya or a śūdra. Nor am I a brahmacārī, a householder, a vānaprastha or a sannyāsī. I identify Myself only as the servant of the servant of the servant of the lotus feet of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the maintainer of the gopīs. He is like an ocean of nectar, and He is the cause of universal transcendental bliss. He is always existing with brilliance.’ ”

This famous verse written by Rupa Goswami brings us to the highest realms of consciousness with loving exchanges that are further described as the land of sixty-four excellances.

That’s a very esoteric understanding, of course, but needless to say, the beginnings of such consciousness originate from the simple understanding we are not the body , which means we are not black or white , nor are we Hindu ,Muslim or Christian, nor American British or European or rich , poor or any other designations originating from identifying with a body .

That we are consciousness is self-evident , the body is changing, but where does this eternal consciousness belong permanently ? The above verse gives us insights into the realms of the consciousness and life of Divinity.

The understanding that we should not limit ourselves or be in crippled designated consciousness is illustrated in the Bible as well .

How to free oneself and engage in positive work to please Divinity and thus everybody.

Jesus wanted him to please God and be a blessing to others. So Jesus commanded him: “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.” God created us to get up and walk, not to lie down in disappointment. Spiritually speaking, many people are lying down, paralyzed by their sins. God sent Jesus, and many Holy persons , or He personally comes , to save us from our sins and heavy conditioning

ALL IN ALL
…I personally applaud causion that you take on matters of Radha Krishna lila ……….thats the right thing to do ….

In conclusion..Srila Prabhupada and
All our acaryas advise extreme caution re Radha Krishna nitya lila esoteric meditation

The topics are never discussed in public .

And extremely rarely amongst devotees…and even then , devotees do not speak of their own attraction, except to clarify certain understandings they may have the good fortune to have insight to and only to persons who have such insights …having heard from and served a pure devotee or read from bone fide param para acaryas…and who are recognised and pure in devotional service..

And thus ….when one has dedicated his life in service and has been strictly following for , as Srila Bhaktisiddanta Goswami Maharaja says , for 30 years or more with developments of spiritual character and service attitudes with humility towards all persons, one can further develop , if he so desires and has the benediction of greed …..and it should come , irresistibly within, …… says Srila Sridhar Swami , his or her attraction for any of the services of the residents of Vrndavana……and the wide variations of many different types of sakhaya rasa .Madhurya rasa … mixed with variations of service attitudes, some more intimate, some less so, and some more at a distance .

But also , of course, knowledge and appreciation for all Krishnas activities remain .in Mathura, Dwarka. And His actions in Kuruksetra as well as His incarnations and expansions in Vaikuntha…..

In Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhus line , which the materialistic prakrita bhaktas know nothing about , … ( ie..The Manjari bhava .. (pranaya .).oneness with Radharani in service to Her ) ,is discussed , because She is the most expert at pleasing Krishna…
This is Gaudia Vaisnavism. ….these Manjaris, who are intimate servants of Radharani , or Her friends, are different than the Shakis …..who all have direct union with Krishna. ..the Manjaris desire only Radha Dasyam

We should never compare sincere followers of Gaudia Vaisnavas with proven characters and service history to perverse materialistic so-called devotees of Krishna.

See the following…and
Note the difference….from Prabhupada.

The class of men known as prākṛta-sahajiyās, who consider the transcendental pastimes of Lord Kṛṣṇa something like the behavior between a man and a woman in the material field, artificially think that hearing the rāsa-līlā will help them by diminishing the lusty desires of their diseased hearts.

THE DIFFERENCE….

(But because they DO NOT follow the regulative principles but instead violate even ORDINARY MORALS, their contemplation of rāsa-līlā is a futile attempt, which sometimes results in their imitating the dealings of the gopīs and Lord Kṛṣṇa.)…

Because the Bhagavatam is ever expanding , the particular realisations of our Great Acaryas are recorded in trancendental literature. Prabhupada has himself commented on this unlimited ocean , and if he were still performing his Lila here , he would continue to expand the ocean of unlimited bliss .
Actually, one does not require unlimited literature because one drop can inundate the whole world…
But still Mahāprabhu desires are such that complete inundation of the universe is to take place .

A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda words as follows..

So one has to follow. The same example, try to understand, that a perfect, expert technologist or technician or mechanic is working, and somebody is working under his instruction. So this somebody, because he is strictly working under the instruction of the expert, he’s also expert. He may not be cent per cent expert, but his work is expert. Is that clear? Because he is working under the expert. Do you follow?

So if you follow pure devotee, then you are also pure devotee. It may not be one is cent per cent pure, because we are trying to raise ourself from the conditional life. But if we strictly follow the pure devotee, then we are also pure devotee. So far we do, that is pure.

So pure devotee does not mean one has to become immediately cent per cent pure. But if he sticks to the principle that “We’ll follow a pure devotee,” then his actions are… He is as good as a pure devotee. That is a… It is not I am explaining in my own way; it is the explanation of Bhāgavata. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186].

The Vedas have an extremely broad prospective on governance and compliance.

There are eighteenth puranas , six in the mode of goodness , six in the mode of passion , and six in the mode of goodness .

Extremism is always met by extremism , something both the Israeli government and the Palestinian people should know .

So, the Vedic government sees the needs of all classes of persons , giving all citizens a sense of freedom and responsibility with autonomy , and progressive paths are chalked out , according to individuals’ needs , wise men trained in understanding the psychological and physical needs of different classes of persons and who have no ulterior motives , or personal bank balance , give excellent counsel.

But where are such persons ?

Seek and you shall find …..if you’re sincere.

In the Srimad Bhagavatam 1.7.36 it is said .

A person who knows the principles of religion does not kill an enemy who is careless, intoxicated, insane, asleep, afraid, or devoid of his chariot. Nor does he kill a boy, a woman, a foolish creature, or a surrendered soul.

Queen Draupadi sets examples for all of us to follow .

When , having heard news, her sleeping sons were killed by Asvatarma , she, feeling deep grief , did not want the mother or family of Ashvatarma to feel the same grief by ordering Ashvatarmas death .

Revenge is not the business of any intelligent, thoughtful, and cultured persons….

The complexity of identifying the original historical inhabitants of lands is historically clear all over the world . Just who are the original inhabitants?

In the case of our latest conflict of interests , the same complexities are prevalent , with a long written history and history long forgotten .

It makes sense and would be best if both sides admit to historical discrepancies and encroachments as well as past misdeeds and settle up on permanent arrangements for a peaceful solution for the sake of the innocent persons who are suffering , and who depend on leaders to be just and fair .

Neither Israel,  USA .or Palestine authorities have a  vision or  any good   sense to move forward on these matters . Ancient encroachment histories need to be viewed in the context of historic time. Currently, irresponsible leaders who lack good academic counsel appear hell-bent on revenge.

Time to call for independent thoughtful and mature thinkers beyond the irresponsible political classes, to construct futures and lasting relationships between citizens minimising the influences of biased  self-motivated contributors who have  attachment to their versions of history and have hatred.

Two persons come to mind

JOHN MEARSHEIMER AND JONATHAN SACHS.