Go to you tube Steven mcnamara Srimad Bhagavatam comparing scientific goals Or Steven mcnamara Srimad Bhagavatam the fundermental sciences There, you will find what priorities Srimad Bhagavatam gives to consciousness exploration, and observations are given which in many cases contradict the majority of scientists who promote subjective scientific materialism , but there are also examples […]
SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM AND COMPARING SCIENTIFIC GOALS.
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Lea Cronin and his pet monkeys…
One has to question Lee Cronin, whose speculations are running wild , believing that intelligent selections spontaneously happen by trial and error and the billions of dna coding and the thousands of parts that make up a human body practically self select . Actually, in vedic terms, the self , in literal terms, selects , with the help of the super Self , a conditioned self with certain mentality , born of actions within matter is connected to a highly complex universal systems on an ethereal plane that devolves in to countless billions of arrangement of atoms ,elements, compounds, molecules , making arrangements for the perfect machine ( the body) in which the soul can temporarily dwell , within eight million four hundred thousands of species of life in this universe , consider , each individual in a species has different individual circumstances awarded due to its granted free will and a deterministic processes within the three modes of nature , which unlimitedly mix and multiply like an artists pallet or melodies on a piano.
FURTHER interest in this topic is discussed in the Bhagavad Gita wherein Krishna gives an alternative to being engaged in matter , but yet , still working within it , when He says ” one who sees action in inaction and inaction in action ” thus the presupposed reactions within the material energies , being so called good or so called bad …….have no effects.
CRONIN assumes that a million monkeys on a million typewriters in a million years would be able to produce a Shakespeare play , just by chance… . Mmmm.
Lee Cronin selectorism theory does not explain the sources of materials or the goal of selections , or his own consciousness , his enquiries presupposes consciousness ,consciousness is the selector, not matter , and for life to occur perfectly in self replicating motions , and by a mutations process, never mind a million ingredients….how many to the power of numbers would be required ? Or types of ingredients and knowledge of specific natural laws that would be productive and be required to evolve the countless tiny machines needed within the machine of the overall body that needs developing ? For example… the 100s of nano machines existing and operating in one cell of our body.
A successful living force needs a developing mind and creative intelligence , bearing in mind that the Darwinian thinks incorrectly that the mind and intelligence is simply neurons firing in the brain , something that eastern philosophy and many scientists disagree with , adaptability and rational..are very much beyond chance chemical reactions…….mixing chemicals never has and never will produce consciousness…..thus Life comes from Life ….that’s our only experience.
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This trancendental phenomena ranges from its height , as Vrsabhanu Nandini Sri Radhe laughs with her friends loudly declaring victory ” The beautiful one is mine ” after Krishna fainted in ecstatic trance , experiencing Her madana Maha bhava , down to the simple rules in life that regulate the unruly , an example could be …if a man wants to eat flesh , he must whisper into the animals ear ….that today I kill you , but in a future life you can do the same to me …
Thus discouraging violence.
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There are many examples throughout the Bhagavatam of fair play , understanding and negotiations.
Lord Indra, for example , became disturbed because King Priyavrata was about to complete a hundred consecutive sacrifices , giving him special powers.
(Indra was the only person who had previously completed such a task . )
But , BECAUSE he was the king of heaven and had naturally a large ego to go with his prestigious position , so , Lord Bramha , on behalf of Krishna , negotiated with King Priyavrata , and it was settled that King Priyavrata would not complete the task and settled up for only 99 sacrifices .
Krishna wanted lord Indra to keep his pride and distinction in his place , which is important to leadership roles . So sometimes, in daily dealings the implementation of morals , ethics, and good behaviour are implemented carefully and gradually and not do not always occur the way we would necessarily like events to unfold , so patience is required . Certain domestic and political sensitivities must come into play , some persons are not ready to immediately hear perfect good sense . The material energies are as such , that time and patience must be adopted towards some persons , and karmic situations worldwide are often beyond bewildering , nevertheless Divinity remains in full control , and the Srimad Bhagavatam can reveal to us the mysteries of Divinity and the free will and determinism of universal affairs.
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This is the explanation that’s given in the Vedas , the Darwinian foolishly thinks matter first consciousness later , we can say consciousness in its conditioned state requires matter both gross and subtle to live out its surreal illusory existence , as much as today with technological innovation , the public can place helmets over their heads and have an experience of existing in another world .
One can read the third canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam , the fundamental principles of material nature are explained in considerable detail with definite parallels to quantum mechanics, with minds desires affecting the movements of matter.
Einstein space time continuum..
could be said to fit the vedic model and perhaps could be incorporated into a subtle explanation of dark matter , there are suggestions in scientific papers that dark matter ,is a subtle form of matter , the lower , middle and upper plenary systems described in the Vedas are made of such finer materials , they operate differently in terms of natures laws of gravity and time . It is acceptable , by Vedic science , the karmic synchronicities of a future existence of a particular jiva that is already beginning to form within , the subtleties of an individuals mind , are operating within dark matter . Third, Bhagavatam Canto suggests this kind of science .One can argue that the expanding universe is caused by consciousness ..and time ..
See this explanation from a Vedic thinker ..
. Dark/Subtle Matter is Composed of High Energy Particles
Dark matter particles include supersymmetric objects and particles. According to scientists, these are higher mass-higher energy particles that have not been detected by our current low energy particle accelerators because of their high energies.
Subtle matter (in traditional metaphysical theories) is considered to be made up of highly energetic particles which generally becomes visible (as objects) after some training in meditation or similar exercises. In Hindu metaphysics, we find references to not only the “anu” (i.e. standard physical particles) but “param-anu” (which are super-physical particles). Valerie Hunt, Professor Emeritus at UCLA and internationally recognized authority in the area of energy field medicine, says that “even ancient Hindu literature asserts that the energy body possesses a higher vibration [or frequency] than normal matter-energy.” Modern ‘seers’ were unanimous in their opinion that subtle bodies consist of “as yet undiscovered higher frequency matter and energy” and have mass – long before any widespread awareness of dark matter or supersymmetry theories.
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Exactly why it’s a problem to encourage Liberal sex , and the implications of doing so , would never enter into the dull less intelligent buisness classes with such limited brain capacity , but should they care to begin to understand , the first part of understanding will be to separate the body from the mind , intelligence and the inner consciousness. The specualtive Darwinian fails to grasp this simple self-evident truth about the fundermentals of life, but such is the power of the illusory energy of Krishna , which Krishna alludes to in His teachings in the Bhagavad Gita.
In the Srimad Bhagavatam 7th Canto , the life story of Pralada Maharaja clearly illustrates the points above .
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Some people have romantic idealistic concepts that society can live as one .
In spiritual terms, maybe , when by cultivating spiritual consciousness, one is able to see that consciousness particals are in each body , the very substance of life .
But materially speaking , individuals have always expressed differently and lived differently, both individually and collectively, as well as in communial ways and also unique national cultural ways ..
In the vedas 5th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam, the activities of King Prtu give the description of the natural creation of boundaries, such as oceans , rivers, and mountain ranges , so although harmony can be acheived in mankind it must be understood as being based on differences , which have sometimes complex social and karmic reasons , all societies should be respected and understood in mature ways .
The concept of harmony in discord is only realised in the minds of those who are learned with the consciousness of Divinity within their hearts , and who have evolved love for Divinity as well as all beings , seeing that everything is connected to God , knowing they are all His expansions , such Divine inspiration creates the inconceivable oneness and difference vision in our relationship with Him and all beings .
The vipras , Brahminical men, and Suddha Bhaktas know this very well and realise it . By their association , we can also know and realise this truth .
It is never found in any political leaders , who we could probably safely say are mostly lacking in real wisdom, and are sometimes fools and rascals , so they must always take direction from the real intelligensia as described above .
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The perfect political systems that are incorporated within the Vedas are perfectly adaptable to just about anyone.
Whatever outlook one may have , everyone can find a progressive and beneficial path and a material and spiritual progressive path .
Social sciences and political sciences are discussed in detail, so there is no need for a new fangled approach that’s entirely based on gratification of the senses without foresight.
Rather , consequences of particular actions must be taken into account , on both a material and spiritual level , there is no room for a ” bull in a China shop” approach .
Unintelligent leaders have no foresight , they are like lemmings running off a cliff , so its advised to learn from the Vedas , just who is learned and what qualities they display.
Insight and wisdom come to those who sincerely want truth and guidance.
Democracy criticism is worth looking into … Fools voting in fools is no solution to the world’s problems.
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Currently, I would suggest the USA and Europe are doing badly , shooting themselves in the foot , under no circumstances should they give a go-ahead for a carte blanch destruction of citizens in Gaza , giving the example of Winston Churchill , who indiscriminately bombed Dresden as a justification for war practice.
There are other ways to ensure security for countries , like sensible negotiations with unbiased intelligent persons who should be at the forefront , not political leaders , persons who have insights into ethics, morals as well as having deep compassion and knowledge of laws of all kinds should be employed. Extremism should not be met by extremism….the results are short-term ….Real solutions are in the hands of the wise . In vedic culture, three types of intellectual persons are brought to procedures . The Vipras , the brahmanas, and the Suddha bhaktas. Solutions are never able to be found by a lower political class , who think themselves leaders or superior to the three classes aforementioned.
What does Krishna say regarding the qualifications of leadership and those fit to guide ?
The Blessed Lord said: Fearlessness, purification of one’s existence, cultivation of spiritual knowledge, charity, self-control, performance of sacrifice, study of the Vedas, austerity and simplicity; nonviolence, truthfulness, freedom from anger; renunciation, tranquility, aversion to faultfinding, compassion and freedom from covetousness; gentleness, modesty and steady determination; vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, freedom from envy and the passion for honor-these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.
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